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  • 89th8 89th

    So in Richmond, VA they are removing a Robert E Lee statue that has stood for 130+ years. I was texting with my 3 buddies and they were shocked to hear that I thought the removal was a shame, and they also thought that “Lee decided to defend slavery, period” whereas my position is he was dedicated to his state, and he (and most who died in the war) deserve to have their dedication to their state honored.

    Our text chain went on for a while, and we made a number of additional points (opinions and facts) but I’m curious.... your thoughts on Lee in the context of his legacy and history?

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    @89th said in Robert E Lee:

    So in Richmond, VA they are removing a Robert E Lee statue that has stood for 130+ years.

    https://www.quotes.net/quote/15082

    “There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
    Robert E. Lee

    American general who led the Confederate Armies in the American Civil War (1807-1870)

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      @89th said in Robert E Lee:

      So in Richmond, VA they are removing a Robert E Lee statue that has stood for 130+ years.

      https://www.quotes.net/quote/15082

      “There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
      Robert E. Lee

      American general who led the Confederate Armies in the American Civil War (1807-1870)

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      @Copper “There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
      Robert E. Lee

      Thanks, Copper

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        Regarding this quote of Gen. Lee's that Copper just posted, I wonder if it would be worth spreading it about in social media. It has a lot of power, and it could raise some consciousness.

        There has to be some meeting of the minds. We can't snipe at each other forever. This could be a good way to begin.

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        • Catseye3C Catseye3

          Regarding this quote of Gen. Lee's that Copper just posted, I wonder if it would be worth spreading it about in social media. It has a lot of power, and it could raise some consciousness.

          There has to be some meeting of the minds. We can't snipe at each other forever. This could be a good way to begin.

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          @Catseye3 said in Robert E Lee:

          We can't snipe at each other forever

          Oh yea???

          It's been 17+ years since OCR and we're still going strong. 🤜 ✋ 🤛

          We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
          Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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          • ImprovisoI Improviso

            @Catseye3 said in Robert E Lee:

            We can't snipe at each other forever

            Oh yea???

            It's been 17+ years since OCR and we're still going strong. 🤜 ✋ 🤛

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            @Improviso Oh yea??? It's been 17+ years since OCR and we're still going strong.

            Fine. Let's just keep on with the hate and the refusal to accommodate. We've been doing that since cave times.

            Excerpt from Nightmare in Pink by John D. MacDonald, published in 1964:

            "New York is where it is going to begin, I think. You can see it coming. The insect experts have learned how it works with locusts. Until locust population reaches a certain density, they all act like any grasshoppers. When the critical moment is reached, they turn savage and swarm, and try to eat the world. We’re nearing a critical point. One day soon two strangers will bump into each other at high noon in the middle of New York. But this time they won’t snarl and go on. They will stop and stare and then leap at each other’s throats in a dreadful silence. The infection will spread outward from that point. Old ladies will crack skulls with their deadly handbags. Cars will plunge down the crowded sidewalks. Drivers will be torn out of their cars and stomped. It will spread to all the huge cities of the world, and by dawn of the next day there will be a horrid silence of sprawled bodies and tumbled vehicles, gutted buildings and a few wisps of smoke. And through that silence will prowl a few of the most powerful ones, ragged and bloody, slowly tracking each other down."

            And the few survivors will have the satisfaction of knowing that by God, at least they didn't give up anything to those bastards.

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            • CopperC Copper

              @89th said in Robert E Lee:

              So in Richmond, VA they are removing a Robert E Lee statue that has stood for 130+ years.

              https://www.quotes.net/quote/15082

              “There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
              Robert E. Lee

              American general who led the Confederate Armies in the American Civil War (1807-1870)

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              @Copper said in Robert E Lee:

              “There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
              Robert E. Lee

              But...but...but... the war had nothing to do with slavery!!!

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                It was important for some

                If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.

                http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm

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                • 89th8 Online
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                  Interesting quotes, thanks @Copper

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                    His quotes above are clear.

                    The Lincoln Memorial has to go.

                    Sorry, but it is the right thing to do.

                    After all, he was the president of the confederate states before and after the civil war. And, according to some, during the war as well.

                    The buck stops with Abe.

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                      How come we can't have "like" buttons, like the old days?
                      Not that I'd ever use it. Just wondering.

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                      • RainmanR Rainman

                        How come we can't have "like" buttons, like the old days?
                        Not that I'd ever use it. Just wondering.

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                        @Rainman said in Robert E Lee:

                        How come we can't have "like" buttons, like the old days?
                        Not that I'd ever use it. Just wondering.

                        https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/21/feature-request-a-like-button

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                          OK, if not a "like" button, how about a "I agree" or "good post" or something else akin to communicating with a dog.

                          "Good Job" "Makes Sense" "Nice Post" "Very Thoughtful" "Ax" "Reported to Authorities" or something besides like/dislike.

                          Even Jon's "Jesus" would be a good one.

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                            @Copper said in Robert E Lee:

                            “There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
                            Robert E. Lee

                            But...but...but... the war had nothing to do with slavery!!!

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                            @jon-nyc said in Robert E Lee:

                            @Copper said in Robert E Lee:

                            “There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
                            Robert E. Lee

                            But...but...but... the war had nothing to do with slavery!!!

                            Yep, you can gather that, from the quote.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • RainmanR Rainman

                              OK, if not a "like" button, how about a "I agree" or "good post" or something else akin to communicating with a dog.

                              "Good Job" "Makes Sense" "Nice Post" "Very Thoughtful" "Ax" "Reported to Authorities" or something besides like/dislike.

                              Even Jon's "Jesus" would be a good one.

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                              @Rainman said in Robert E Lee:

                              OK, if not a "like" button, how about a "I agree" or "good post" or something else akin to communicating with a dog.

                              "Good Job" "Makes Sense" "Nice Post" "Very Thoughtful" "Ax" "Reported to Authorities" or something besides like/dislike.

                              Even Jon's "Jesus" would be a good one.

                              applause

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8413185/CNN-analyst-calls-remove-George-Washington-Thomas-Jefferson-statues-owned-slaves.html

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                                  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8413185/CNN-analyst-calls-remove-George-Washington-Thomas-Jefferson-statues-owned-slaves.html

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                                  @89th those pictures....😥

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8413185/CNN-analyst-calls-remove-George-Washington-Thomas-Jefferson-statues-owned-slaves.html

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                                    @89th said in Robert E Lee:

                                    CNN-analyst-calls-remove-George-Washington-Thomas-Jefferson-statues-owned-slaves.html

                                    It is past time we enacted a News Media Stupidity Standard, to wit: You have to possess at least the IQ of a pineapple to appear on our news program.

                                    That would have disqualified this dimwit hands down.

                                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                      I've said for a long time, we've had it too good for too long. Could anyone imagine this kind of behavior in 1947? Or even 1867?

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Yeah . . . But I have to believe there will be an end point. This level of dumbassery can't continue. There must eventually be a critical mass reached of people who will put down their foot and say, okay, folks, you've had enough fun. Time to stop now.

                                        Right?

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                          Yea... the "Silent Majority" will have its say in November. Dems will pay a heavy price for allowing this to go on for so long.

                                          They'll be lucky to get elected dog catcher.

                                          My wife asked me last night why WE don't go out there and protest all this bullshit going on. I told her, WE don't do that. We'll have our say in November when we vote.

                                          We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                                          Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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