Robert E Lee
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@89th said in Robert E Lee:
So in Richmond, VA they are removing a Robert E Lee statue that has stood for 130+ years.
https://www.quotes.net/quote/15082
“There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
Robert E. LeeAmerican general who led the Confederate Armies in the American Civil War (1807-1870)
@Copper said in Robert E Lee:
“There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
Robert E. LeeBut...but...but... the war had nothing to do with slavery!!!
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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It was important for some
If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.
http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm
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His quotes above are clear.
The Lincoln Memorial has to go.
Sorry, but it is the right thing to do.
After all, he was the president of the confederate states before and after the civil war. And, according to some, during the war as well.
The buck stops with Abe.
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How come we can't have "like" buttons, like the old days?
Not that I'd ever use it. Just wondering.@Rainman said in Robert E Lee:
How come we can't have "like" buttons, like the old days?
Not that I'd ever use it. Just wondering.https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/21/feature-request-a-like-button
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OK, if not a "like" button, how about a "I agree" or "good post" or something else akin to communicating with a dog.
"Good Job" "Makes Sense" "Nice Post" "Very Thoughtful" "Ax" "Reported to Authorities" or something besides like/dislike.
Even Jon's "Jesus" would be a good one.
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@Copper said in Robert E Lee:
“There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
Robert E. LeeBut...but...but... the war had nothing to do with slavery!!!
@jon-nyc said in Robert E Lee:
@Copper said in Robert E Lee:
“There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
Robert E. LeeBut...but...but... the war had nothing to do with slavery!!!
Yep, you can gather that, from the quote.
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OK, if not a "like" button, how about a "I agree" or "good post" or something else akin to communicating with a dog.
"Good Job" "Makes Sense" "Nice Post" "Very Thoughtful" "Ax" "Reported to Authorities" or something besides like/dislike.
Even Jon's "Jesus" would be a good one.
@Rainman said in Robert E Lee:
OK, if not a "like" button, how about a "I agree" or "good post" or something else akin to communicating with a dog.
"Good Job" "Makes Sense" "Nice Post" "Very Thoughtful" "Ax" "Reported to Authorities" or something besides like/dislike.
Even Jon's "Jesus" would be a good one.
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@89th said in Robert E Lee:
CNN-analyst-calls-remove-George-Washington-Thomas-Jefferson-statues-owned-slaves.html
It is past time we enacted a News Media Stupidity Standard, to wit: You have to possess at least the IQ of a pineapple to appear on our news program.
That would have disqualified this dimwit hands down.
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Yeah . . . But I have to believe there will be an end point. This level of dumbassery can't continue. There must eventually be a critical mass reached of people who will put down their foot and say, okay, folks, you've had enough fun. Time to stop now.
Right?
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Yea... the "Silent Majority" will have its say in November. Dems will pay a heavy price for allowing this to go on for so long.
They'll be lucky to get elected dog catcher.
My wife asked me last night why WE don't go out there and protest all this bullshit going on. I told her, WE don't do that. We'll have our say in November when we vote.
We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on. -
If I am a person of color I can travel in large parts of the country without seeing memorials to the Civil War. Suddenly when I hit the south, there it is. Combine that with some of the alt right group rhetoric and I am probably justified in worrying if it is safe for me.
How do we address persistent Racism when we wont even discuss the appropriateness of the use of symbols of those that supported slavery?
I understand the argument of not wiping out history and not ceding to the demands of those that want to take down “American” values.
Arguing against every idea and every reform is a non starter and this time the old tactics are not going to work. Look at Trump, he is increasingly isolated and faith that the supporters will pull through without a solid infrastructure of other GOP is not going to turn out well.
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The statues should be in museums. They should have been put there years ago.
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If I am a person of color I can travel in large parts of the country without seeing memorials to the Civil War. Suddenly when I hit the south, there it is. Combine that with some of the alt right group rhetoric and I am probably justified in worrying if it is safe for me.
How do we address persistent Racism when we wont even discuss the appropriateness of the use of symbols of those that supported slavery?
I understand the argument of not wiping out history and not ceding to the demands of those that want to take down “American” values.
Arguing against every idea and every reform is a non starter and this time the old tactics are not going to work. Look at Trump, he is increasingly isolated and faith that the supporters will pull through without a solid infrastructure of other GOP is not going to turn out well.
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If I am a person of color I can travel in large parts of the country without seeing memorials to the Civil War. Suddenly when I hit the south, there it is. Combine that with some of the alt right group rhetoric and I am probably justified in worrying if it is safe for me.
How do we address persistent Racism when we wont even discuss the appropriateness of the use of symbols of those that supported slavery?
I understand the argument of not wiping out history and not ceding to the demands of those that want to take down “American” values.
Arguing against every idea and every reform is a non starter and this time the old tactics are not going to work. Look at Trump, he is increasingly isolated and faith that the supporters will pull through without a solid infrastructure of other GOP is not going to turn out well.
@Loki said in Robert E Lee:
If I am a person of color I can travel in large parts of the country without seeing memorials to the Civil War. Suddenly when I hit the south, there it is. Combine that with some of the alt right group rhetoric and I am probably justified in worrying if it is safe for me.
How do we address persistent Racism when we wont even discuss the appropriateness of the use of symbols of those that supported slavery?
I understand the argument of not wiping out history and not ceding to the demands of those that want to take down “American” values.
Arguing against every idea and every reform is a non starter and this time the old tactics are not going to work. Look at Trump, he is increasingly isolated and faith that the supporters will pull through without a solid infrastructure of other GOP is not going to turn out well.
The reason you see civil war memorials in the South but not in other parts of the country is because the South was where the war was fought. The chip on many black people's shoulder is "my ancestors were slaves" but it never occurs to most people that white Southerners' ancestors never owned slaves, but had relatives who died in that war, lost everything they owned, etc. No one came through that clean. You go through a small town and see a civil war memorial marker identifying some particular battle.. Someone from another region sees nothing more than a historical marker. Southerners see a reminder of the death and destruction that touched so many families still in existence today.
Now imagine seeing reminders of what life was like for your ancestors from one end of the country to the other, not being able to go ANYWHERE that gets you away from it. Your people exist as names of high school football teams, street names, subdivisions, and on and on.... but rarely do they complain. Imagine if blacks had been the target of genocide, their numbers being reduced to the point that Americans could drive across 6 or 8 states and never even see a black person - but couldn't go 5 miles without seeing the word "Sambo" plastered on a building, or a street sign...
I think you get what I'm saying.
I'm sorry that a couple hundred years ago blacks were enslaved. No one should ever be enslaved. But life is a bit more complicated than one group's wounded pride. There's not a single black slave living today. Not a single black person has any direct experience with it. Likewise, not a single native American living today had to walk across 3 states barefoot on the Trail of Tears, or watch their children be taken from them and sent to schools designed to "beat the Indian out of them" knowing their little girl would likely be raped. Not a single Southerner fought in a war that everyone says was about slavery but was to them about trying to stop the rape of their land by outsiders.
Yet the only ones still carrying around this baggage from the past are the black people. While I agree that it's silly to have confederate statues up north, and that those statues should be in museums... confederate memorials in the South are a part of their past, just as slavery is to blacks, just as the Trail of Tears is to an Indian. If people want to complain about something, they should complain about the whining little babies so many have become, and work toward learning how to live together and respect ALL people's perspective on things our ancestors did to each other 200 years ago.
