Robert E Lee
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Regarding this quote of Gen. Lee's that Copper just posted, I wonder if it would be worth spreading it about in social media. It has a lot of power, and it could raise some consciousness.
There has to be some meeting of the minds. We can't snipe at each other forever. This could be a good way to begin.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on. -
@Improviso Oh yea??? It's been 17+ years since OCR and we're still going strong.
Fine. Let's just keep on with the hate and the refusal to accommodate. We've been doing that since cave times.
Excerpt from Nightmare in Pink by John D. MacDonald, published in 1964:
"New York is where it is going to begin, I think. You can see it coming. The insect experts have learned how it works with locusts. Until locust population reaches a certain density, they all act like any grasshoppers. When the critical moment is reached, they turn savage and swarm, and try to eat the world. We’re nearing a critical point. One day soon two strangers will bump into each other at high noon in the middle of New York. But this time they won’t snarl and go on. They will stop and stare and then leap at each other’s throats in a dreadful silence. The infection will spread outward from that point. Old ladies will crack skulls with their deadly handbags. Cars will plunge down the crowded sidewalks. Drivers will be torn out of their cars and stomped. It will spread to all the huge cities of the world, and by dawn of the next day there will be a horrid silence of sprawled bodies and tumbled vehicles, gutted buildings and a few wisps of smoke. And through that silence will prowl a few of the most powerful ones, ragged and bloody, slowly tracking each other down."
And the few survivors will have the satisfaction of knowing that by God, at least they didn't give up anything to those bastards.
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@Copper said in Robert E Lee:
“There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
Robert E. LeeBut...but...but... the war had nothing to do with slavery!!!
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It was important for some
If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.
http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm
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His quotes above are clear.
The Lincoln Memorial has to go.
Sorry, but it is the right thing to do.
After all, he was the president of the confederate states before and after the civil war. And, according to some, during the war as well.
The buck stops with Abe.
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@Rainman said in Robert E Lee:
How come we can't have "like" buttons, like the old days?
Not that I'd ever use it. Just wondering.https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/21/feature-request-a-like-button
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OK, if not a "like" button, how about a "I agree" or "good post" or something else akin to communicating with a dog.
"Good Job" "Makes Sense" "Nice Post" "Very Thoughtful" "Ax" "Reported to Authorities" or something besides like/dislike.
Even Jon's "Jesus" would be a good one.
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@jon-nyc said in Robert E Lee:
@Copper said in Robert E Lee:
“There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
Robert E. LeeBut...but...but... the war had nothing to do with slavery!!!
Yep, you can gather that, from the quote.
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@Rainman said in Robert E Lee:
OK, if not a "like" button, how about a "I agree" or "good post" or something else akin to communicating with a dog.
"Good Job" "Makes Sense" "Nice Post" "Very Thoughtful" "Ax" "Reported to Authorities" or something besides like/dislike.
Even Jon's "Jesus" would be a good one.
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@89th said in Robert E Lee:
CNN-analyst-calls-remove-George-Washington-Thomas-Jefferson-statues-owned-slaves.html
It is past time we enacted a News Media Stupidity Standard, to wit: You have to possess at least the IQ of a pineapple to appear on our news program.
That would have disqualified this dimwit hands down.
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Yeah . . . But I have to believe there will be an end point. This level of dumbassery can't continue. There must eventually be a critical mass reached of people who will put down their foot and say, okay, folks, you've had enough fun. Time to stop now.
Right?
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Yea... the "Silent Majority" will have its say in November. Dems will pay a heavy price for allowing this to go on for so long.
They'll be lucky to get elected dog catcher.
My wife asked me last night why WE don't go out there and protest all this bullshit going on. I told her, WE don't do that. We'll have our say in November when we vote.
We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on. -
If I am a person of color I can travel in large parts of the country without seeing memorials to the Civil War. Suddenly when I hit the south, there it is. Combine that with some of the alt right group rhetoric and I am probably justified in worrying if it is safe for me.
How do we address persistent Racism when we wont even discuss the appropriateness of the use of symbols of those that supported slavery?
I understand the argument of not wiping out history and not ceding to the demands of those that want to take down “American” values.
Arguing against every idea and every reform is a non starter and this time the old tactics are not going to work. Look at Trump, he is increasingly isolated and faith that the supporters will pull through without a solid infrastructure of other GOP is not going to turn out well.
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The statues should be in museums. They should have been put there years ago.
