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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

    @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

    @Jolly

    Show us explicitly where he cannot.

    No, the onus is on you to show us that he can.

    But at least you now understand the question. That is step forward.

    I've already showed where he can. I've even offered a simple example.

    Actually you have not. Sorry.

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    Jolly
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    #345

    @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

    @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

    @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

    @Jolly

    Show us explicitly where he cannot.

    No, the onus is on you to show us that he can.

    But at least you now understand the question. That is step forward.

    I've already showed where he can. I've even offered a simple example.

    Actually you have not. Sorry.

    I think I have. Sorry.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      @Jolly

      Show us explicitly where he cannot.

      No, the onus is on you to show us that he can.

      But at least you now understand the question. That is step forward.

      I've already showed where he can. I've even offered a simple example.

      Actually you have not. Sorry.

      I think I have. Sorry.

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #346

      @Jolly

      Well, think harder. You made up a story.

      Wish I could say, sorry because I’m not in the least bit, sorry.

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        @Jolly

        Well, think harder. You made up a story.

        Wish I could say, sorry because I’m not in the least bit, sorry.

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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #347

        @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

        @Jolly

        Well, think harder. You made up a story.

        Wish I could say, sorry because I’m not in the least bit, sorry.

        No, I doubt you are.

        Now, is this the part of the thread where I say that you're an obtuse SOB, or would you like to start the festivities?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          @Jolly

          Well, think harder. You made up a story.

          Wish I could say, sorry because I’m not in the least bit, sorry.

          No, I doubt you are.

          Now, is this the part of the thread where I say that you're an obtuse SOB, or would you like to start the festivities?

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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #348

          @Jolly

          I take it then you have nothing more to say other than up make up stories. Several others here have shown you to be incorrect or, at least, inaccurate as well on this topic. I rest my argument.

          Elbows up!

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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #349

            Then, R.I.P.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

              Trump’s current argument seems untenable. If no documentation were required that would give any former POTUS the ability to declassify things for the rest of his life.

              Obama could publish the detailed schematics of the Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines and say “oh, I declassified these in 2007”

              Nope, it only gives POTUS the ability to declassify things while he is in office.

              As an example...President John Doe is sitting at the Resolute Desk and a widget-expert professor without a TS clearance is brought in to brief the President. The President reaches onto the desk and hands the prof a TS document on a heretofore unknown widget created by DARPA, and asks him to comment.

              By his actions, the President has just declassified that document.

              I think a lot of this boils down as to when Trump did or did not declassify the documents. I also think it makes a difference what documents they are.

              And just as an aside, Trump now says he thinks they took his passport. If so, that's just chickenshit, and speaks volumes.

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              jon-nyc
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              #350

              @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

              @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

              Trump’s current argument seems untenable. If no documentation were required that would give any former POTUS the ability to declassify things for the rest of his life.

              Obama could publish the detailed schematics of the Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines and say “oh, I declassified these in 2007”

              Nope, it only gives POTUS the ability to declassify things while he is in office.

              The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                Trump’s current argument seems untenable. If no documentation were required that would give any former POTUS the ability to declassify things for the rest of his life.

                Obama could publish the detailed schematics of the Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines and say “oh, I declassified these in 2007”

                Nope, it only gives POTUS the ability to declassify things while he is in office.

                The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.

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                George K
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                #351

                @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.

                If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

                And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.

                  If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

                  And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #352

                  @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

                  To be fair, he probably did learn it very well in the last 50-odd years, but being POTUS isn't the same as being whatever the polite term is for somebody like Trump in the real estate business.

                  I was only joking

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                  • George KG George K

                    @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.

                    If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

                    And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

                    Doctor PhibesD Online
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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #353

                    @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

                    His crack legal team?

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                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

                      His crack legal team?

                      87cdd687-7f6b-4099-a601-d8aab33cd994-image.png

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                      George K
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                      #354

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      His crack legal team?

                      image.png

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Doctor PhibesD Online
                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #355

                        Has he joined Trump's team, now?

                        That's a real step up (for both groups)!

                        I was only joking

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                          If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

                          To be fair, he probably did learn it very well in the last 50-odd years, but being POTUS isn't the same as being whatever the polite term is for somebody like Trump in the real estate business.

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                          Renauda
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                          #356

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                          @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                          If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

                          To be fair, he probably did learn it very well in the last 50-odd years, but being POTUS isn't the same as being whatever the polite term is for somebody like Trump in the real estate business.

                          I think the word is, tycoon. It has a somewhat more cache and chic connotation than sales weasel and not nearly as vulgar as shyster.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • George KG George K

                            @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.

                            If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

                            And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

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                            Catseye3
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                            #357

                            @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

                            I'd venture to say his legal team(s) have had plenty of experience in telling him things. He listens only if he perceives listening is in his own best (short term) interests. Otherwise, he walks out of the room.

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            • Catseye3C Catseye3

                              @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

                              I'd venture to say his legal team(s) have had plenty of experience in telling him things. He listens only if he perceives listening is in his own best (short term) interests. Otherwise, he walks out of the room.

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                              @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              I'd venture to say his legal team(s) have had plenty of experience in telling him things. He listens only if he perceives listening is in his own best (short term) interests. Otherwise, he walks out of the room.

                              You're Kraken me up!

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George K
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                                #359

                                Passports seized?

                                alt text

                                Yes, they were.

                                They were returned.

                                So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #360

                                  Sounds like identity theft.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    Passports seized?

                                    alt text

                                    Yes, they were.

                                    They were returned.

                                    So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?

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                                    Catseye3
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                                    #361

                                    @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?

                                    And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???

                                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                      @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?

                                      And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???

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                                      @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???

                                      The warrant?

                                      The law?

                                      I dunno.

                                      The question you should be asking is "What in the hell possessed them to take it in the first place?"

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???

                                        The warrant?

                                        The law?

                                        I dunno.

                                        The question you should be asking is "What in the hell possessed them to take it in the first place?"

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                                        @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        The question you should be asking is "What in the hell possessed them to take it in the first place?"

                                        I vas making teh joke. If they hadn't taken the passports, maybe he would've left.

                                        Get it?

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                          @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          The question you should be asking is "What in the hell possessed them to take it in the first place?"

                                          I vas making teh joke. If they hadn't taken the passports, maybe he would've left.

                                          Get it?

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                                          @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          I vas making teh joke.

                                          Sorry, My second (or is it third?) cheap Scotch of the evening made me miss that, LOL.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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