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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #349

    Then, R.I.P.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      Trump’s current argument seems untenable. If no documentation were required that would give any former POTUS the ability to declassify things for the rest of his life.

      Obama could publish the detailed schematics of the Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines and say “oh, I declassified these in 2007”

      Nope, it only gives POTUS the ability to declassify things while he is in office.

      As an example...President John Doe is sitting at the Resolute Desk and a widget-expert professor without a TS clearance is brought in to brief the President. The President reaches onto the desk and hands the prof a TS document on a heretofore unknown widget created by DARPA, and asks him to comment.

      By his actions, the President has just declassified that document.

      I think a lot of this boils down as to when Trump did or did not declassify the documents. I also think it makes a difference what documents they are.

      And just as an aside, Trump now says he thinks they took his passport. If so, that's just chickenshit, and speaks volumes.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
      #350

      @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      Trump’s current argument seems untenable. If no documentation were required that would give any former POTUS the ability to declassify things for the rest of his life.

      Obama could publish the detailed schematics of the Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines and say “oh, I declassified these in 2007”

      Nope, it only gives POTUS the ability to declassify things while he is in office.

      The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

        @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

        Trump’s current argument seems untenable. If no documentation were required that would give any former POTUS the ability to declassify things for the rest of his life.

        Obama could publish the detailed schematics of the Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines and say “oh, I declassified these in 2007”

        Nope, it only gives POTUS the ability to declassify things while he is in office.

        The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.

        George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #351

        @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

        The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.

        If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

        And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.

          If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

          And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

          Doctor PhibesD Online
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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by
          #352

          @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

          To be fair, he probably did learn it very well in the last 50-odd years, but being POTUS isn't the same as being whatever the polite term is for somebody like Trump in the real estate business.

          I was only joking

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          • George KG George K

            @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

            The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.

            If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

            And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

            Doctor PhibesD Online
            Doctor PhibesD Online
            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on last edited by
            #353

            @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

            And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

            His crack legal team?

            87cdd687-7f6b-4099-a601-d8aab33cd994-image.png

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

              And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

              His crack legal team?

              87cdd687-7f6b-4099-a601-d8aab33cd994-image.png

              George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #354

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

              His crack legal team?

              image.png

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Doctor PhibesD Online
                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by
                #355

                Has he joined Trump's team, now?

                That's a real step up (for both groups)!

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

                  To be fair, he probably did learn it very well in the last 50-odd years, but being POTUS isn't the same as being whatever the polite term is for somebody like Trump in the real estate business.

                  RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
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                  #356

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

                  To be fair, he probably did learn it very well in the last 50-odd years, but being POTUS isn't the same as being whatever the polite term is for somebody like Trump in the real estate business.

                  I think the word is, tycoon. It has a somewhat more cache and chic connotation than sales weasel and not nearly as vulgar as shyster.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • George KG George K

                    @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.

                    If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.

                    And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

                    Catseye3C Offline
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                    Catseye3
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #357

                    @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

                    I'd venture to say his legal team(s) have had plenty of experience in telling him things. He listens only if he perceives listening is in his own best (short term) interests. Otherwise, he walks out of the room.

                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                      @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.

                      I'd venture to say his legal team(s) have had plenty of experience in telling him things. He listens only if he perceives listening is in his own best (short term) interests. Otherwise, he walks out of the room.

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #358

                      @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      I'd venture to say his legal team(s) have had plenty of experience in telling him things. He listens only if he perceives listening is in his own best (short term) interests. Otherwise, he walks out of the room.

                      You're Kraken me up!

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #359

                        Passports seized?

                        alt text

                        Yes, they were.

                        They were returned.

                        So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #360

                          Sounds like identity theft.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • George KG George K

                            Passports seized?

                            alt text

                            Yes, they were.

                            They were returned.

                            So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?

                            Catseye3C Offline
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                            Catseye3
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #361

                            @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?

                            And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            • Catseye3C Catseye3

                              @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?

                              And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #362

                              @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???

                              The warrant?

                              The law?

                              I dunno.

                              The question you should be asking is "What in the hell possessed them to take it in the first place?"

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???

                                The warrant?

                                The law?

                                I dunno.

                                The question you should be asking is "What in the hell possessed them to take it in the first place?"

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                                #363

                                @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                The question you should be asking is "What in the hell possessed them to take it in the first place?"

                                I vas making teh joke. If they hadn't taken the passports, maybe he would've left.

                                Get it?

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                  @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  The question you should be asking is "What in the hell possessed them to take it in the first place?"

                                  I vas making teh joke. If they hadn't taken the passports, maybe he would've left.

                                  Get it?

                                  George KG Offline
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                                  George K
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                                  #364

                                  @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  I vas making teh joke.

                                  Sorry, My second (or is it third?) cheap Scotch of the evening made me miss that, LOL.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                    @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?

                                    And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???

                                    Doctor PhibesD Online
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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                    #365

                                    @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?

                                    And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???

                                    Maybe they were hoping he'd leave the country.

                                    Edit - I'm as slow as George, and I can't even blame it on the whisky

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                      @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?

                                      And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???

                                      Maybe they were hoping he'd leave the country.

                                      Edit - I'm as slow as George, and I can't even blame it on the whisky

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                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      Edit - I'm as slow as George, and I can't even blame it on the whisky

                                      Wait, I'm slow too. The joke only worked if they'd left the passports in place. Duh.

                                      So we all three are just a bunch of doofikins.

                                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        Edit - I'm as slow as George, and I can't even blame it on the whisky

                                        Wait, I'm slow too. The joke only worked if they'd left the passports in place. Duh.

                                        So we all three are just a bunch of doofikins.

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #367

                                        @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        Edit - I'm as slow as George, and I can't even blame it on the whisky

                                        Wait, I'm slow too. The joke only worked if they'd left the passports in place. Duh.

                                        So we all three are just a bunch of doofikins.

                                        I figured it all out but was too classy to mention what doofikins you all were being.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          Edit - I'm as slow as George, and I can't even blame it on the whisky

                                          Wait, I'm slow too. The joke only worked if they'd left the passports in place. Duh.

                                          So we all three are just a bunch of doofikins.

                                          I figured it all out but was too classy to mention what doofikins you all were being.

                                          George KG Offline
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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #368

                                          @Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          I figured it all out but was too classy to mention what doofikins you all were being.

                                          They weren't taking selfies, so your ability to maintain your professionalism is vindicated - again.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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