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Roe & Casey overturned.

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #177

    Yep, with all the problems this country has - inflation, energy production, healthcare, lack of affordable cars, infrastructure, housing prices, China, Russia - THIS issue deserves his full attention.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
      wrote on last edited by
      #178

      If we ever have a group of mothers in this country who would have aborted if it were legal, we should make a note to poll them, some years down the line, about whether they wish they'd been able to abort. I guess you could also ask the kid, but that wouldn't be fair.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #179

        OK, so his 'bold response' is to order a report that tell him how to do this. End of quote. Repeat this line.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #180

          It's horseshit and mirrors. Much of the actual stuff concerns PHI and making sure the government keeps close watch on sale of information such as names, addresses, etc.

          Joe? That's already illegal. It's that HIPPO law, Joe. You like hippos, don't you? Want one for Christmas?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #181

            I just wonder when Xi moves on Taiwan.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              #182

              https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/08/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-sign-executive-order-protecting-access-to-reproductive-health-care-services/

              "FACT SHEET: President Biden to Sign Executive Order Protecting Access to Reproductive Health Care Services"

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on last edited by
                #183

                How about a Fact-check instead of a fact sheet?

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/09/one-source-story-about-10-year-old-an-abortion-goes-viral/

                WaPo states the 10 year old rape story is extremely difficult to corroborate and points out a couple of potential flaws with the story…

                The Brad

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #184

                  When you've lost WaPo...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    How about a Fact-check instead of a fact sheet?

                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/09/one-source-story-about-10-year-old-an-abortion-goes-viral/

                    WaPo states the 10 year old rape story is extremely difficult to corroborate and points out a couple of potential flaws with the story…

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #185

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                    How about a Fact-check instead of a fact sheet?

                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/09/one-source-story-about-10-year-old-an-abortion-goes-viral/

                    WaPo states the 10 year old rape story is extremely difficult to corroborate and points out a couple of potential flaws with the story…

                    Someone tell the White House.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #186

                      Here’s Jon Stewart and a group of True Believers opining on the ruling.

                      Link to video

                      Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • CopperC Offline
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                        Copper
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                        #187

                        What to do now?

                        Stop killing babies.

                        An apology wouldn't go amiss.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          Here’s Jon Stewart and a group of True Believers opining on the ruling.

                          Link to video

                          Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

                          George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #188

                          @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                          Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

                          One of the more interesting comments about the ruling is that the basic difference between the "two wings" of SCOTUS is that one wing judges on what the law should be, whereas the other one judges on what the law actually is.

                          Perhaps an overly simplistic view, but it got my attention.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #189

                            Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
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                              #190

                              @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                              Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                              OK, so, let's assume that congress passes a law codifying the "right" to abortion.

                              Would the current 6-3 character of the court overturn that law? My guess is that they wouldn't.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

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                                @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                                There's a fine line between writing and interpreting.
                                I would think that how a law is interpreted by the SCOTUS would be thought by some to almost amount to writing it, or rewriting it.

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                  Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                                  OK, so, let's assume that congress passes a law codifying the "right" to abortion.

                                  Would the current 6-3 character of the court overturn that law? My guess is that they wouldn't.

                                  JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #192

                                  @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                  @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                  Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                                  OK, so, let's assume that congress passes a law codifying the "right" to abortion.

                                  Would the current 6-3 character of the court overturn that law? My guess is that they wouldn't.

                                  I don't think they would.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #193

                                    I don’t think you’ll find anywhere in the Roe overturn ruling, any reasoning that could be used to overturn a new law guaranteeing access to abortions.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                      Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

                                      One of the more interesting comments about the ruling is that the basic difference between the "two wings" of SCOTUS is that one wing judges on what the law should be, whereas the other one judges on what the law actually is.

                                      Perhaps an overly simplistic view, but it got my attention.

                                      HoraceH Offline
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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #194

                                      @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                      @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                      Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

                                      One of the more interesting comments about the ruling is that the basic difference between the "two wings" of SCOTUS is that one wing judges on what the law should be, whereas the other one judges on what the law actually is.

                                      Perhaps an overly simplistic view, but it got my attention.

                                      I imagine the two sides of the court as lawyers arguing cases for their client. Each side of the culture war is a client. Their lawyers on the Supreme Court fashion their constitutional case as well as they can, but the assumption going into it is that they know who their client is, and therefore which side they’re arguing.

                                      Once in a while judges use their prerogative to switch sides on a case, but with cases where progressives want new law to support their ideology, which is what Roe always was, I suspect the divisions will be exactly as predicted.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        Aqua Letifer
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                                        #195

                                        https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                          https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

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                                          LuFins Dad
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                                          #196

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                          https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

                                          The Roe overturn shouldn’t have anything to do with it. Texas has already established that pre-born have the same rights as anybody… Full props to this lady,

                                          The Brad

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