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Roe & Casey overturned.

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  • MikM Offline
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    OK, so his 'bold response' is to order a report that tell him how to do this. End of quote. Repeat this line.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      It's horseshit and mirrors. Much of the actual stuff concerns PHI and making sure the government keeps close watch on sale of information such as names, addresses, etc.

      Joe? That's already illegal. It's that HIPPO law, Joe. You like hippos, don't you? Want one for Christmas?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        I just wonder when Xi moves on Taiwan.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/08/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-sign-executive-order-protecting-access-to-reproductive-health-care-services/

          "FACT SHEET: President Biden to Sign Executive Order Protecting Access to Reproductive Health Care Services"

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
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            #183

            How about a Fact-check instead of a fact sheet?

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/09/one-source-story-about-10-year-old-an-abortion-goes-viral/

            WaPo states the 10 year old rape story is extremely difficult to corroborate and points out a couple of potential flaws with the story…

            The Brad

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #184

              When you've lost WaPo...

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                How about a Fact-check instead of a fact sheet?

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/09/one-source-story-about-10-year-old-an-abortion-goes-viral/

                WaPo states the 10 year old rape story is extremely difficult to corroborate and points out a couple of potential flaws with the story…

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                George K
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                @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                How about a Fact-check instead of a fact sheet?

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/09/one-source-story-about-10-year-old-an-abortion-goes-viral/

                WaPo states the 10 year old rape story is extremely difficult to corroborate and points out a couple of potential flaws with the story…

                Someone tell the White House.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  Horace
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                  #186

                  Here’s Jon Stewart and a group of True Believers opining on the ruling.

                  Link to video

                  Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • CopperC Offline
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                    #187

                    What to do now?

                    Stop killing babies.

                    An apology wouldn't go amiss.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      Here’s Jon Stewart and a group of True Believers opining on the ruling.

                      Link to video

                      Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                      Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

                      One of the more interesting comments about the ruling is that the basic difference between the "two wings" of SCOTUS is that one wing judges on what the law should be, whereas the other one judges on what the law actually is.

                      Perhaps an overly simplistic view, but it got my attention.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        #189

                        Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

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                          @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                          Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                          OK, so, let's assume that congress passes a law codifying the "right" to abortion.

                          Would the current 6-3 character of the court overturn that law? My guess is that they wouldn't.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

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                            @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                            Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                            There's a fine line between writing and interpreting.
                            I would think that how a law is interpreted by the SCOTUS would be thought by some to almost amount to writing it, or rewriting it.

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            • George KG George K

                              @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                              Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                              OK, so, let's assume that congress passes a law codifying the "right" to abortion.

                              Would the current 6-3 character of the court overturn that law? My guess is that they wouldn't.

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                              @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                              @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                              Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                              OK, so, let's assume that congress passes a law codifying the "right" to abortion.

                              Would the current 6-3 character of the court overturn that law? My guess is that they wouldn't.

                              I don't think they would.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                I don’t think you’ll find anywhere in the Roe overturn ruling, any reasoning that could be used to overturn a new law guaranteeing access to abortions.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                  Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

                                  One of the more interesting comments about the ruling is that the basic difference between the "two wings" of SCOTUS is that one wing judges on what the law should be, whereas the other one judges on what the law actually is.

                                  Perhaps an overly simplistic view, but it got my attention.

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #194

                                  @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                  @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                  Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

                                  One of the more interesting comments about the ruling is that the basic difference between the "two wings" of SCOTUS is that one wing judges on what the law should be, whereas the other one judges on what the law actually is.

                                  Perhaps an overly simplistic view, but it got my attention.

                                  I imagine the two sides of the court as lawyers arguing cases for their client. Each side of the culture war is a client. Their lawyers on the Supreme Court fashion their constitutional case as well as they can, but the assumption going into it is that they know who their client is, and therefore which side they’re arguing.

                                  Once in a while judges use their prerogative to switch sides on a case, but with cases where progressives want new law to support their ideology, which is what Roe always was, I suspect the divisions will be exactly as predicted.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Aqua Letifer
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                                    https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                      https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

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                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                      https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

                                      The Roe overturn shouldn’t have anything to do with it. Texas has already established that pre-born have the same rights as anybody… Full props to this lady,

                                      The Brad

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                                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                        https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

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                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                        https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

                                        I took care of a pregnant woman who was shot in the uterus. Fetus died, she survived.

                                        Perp charged with the death of the fetus. I don't remember the outcome of the charges.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                          https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

                                          I took care of a pregnant woman who was shot in the uterus. Fetus died, she survived.

                                          Perp charged with the death of the fetus. I don't remember the outcome of the charges.

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                          https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

                                          I took care of a pregnant woman who was shot in the uterus. Fetus died, she survived.

                                          Perp charged with the death of the fetus. I don't remember the outcome of the charges.

                                          It’s actually always been the case that different areas of the law define concepts differently. Indeed you’ve probably seen definition sections at the beginning of congressional bills many times. It seems counterintuitive when defining such concepts as ‘person’ or ‘murder’ but it’s common all the same (e.g. corporations are people under contract law but not, obviously, family law).

                                          So it’s pretty much always been the case that fetuses can (say) inherit money, or a person assaulting a pregnant woman can get charged with harming or killing the fetus, even though the same fetus could be aborted the next day.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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