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Roe & Casey overturned.

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

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    @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

    Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

    There's a fine line between writing and interpreting.
    I would think that how a law is interpreted by the SCOTUS would be thought by some to almost amount to writing it, or rewriting it.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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    • George KG George K

      @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

      Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

      OK, so, let's assume that congress passes a law codifying the "right" to abortion.

      Would the current 6-3 character of the court overturn that law? My guess is that they wouldn't.

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      @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

      @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

      Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

      OK, so, let's assume that congress passes a law codifying the "right" to abortion.

      Would the current 6-3 character of the court overturn that law? My guess is that they wouldn't.

      I don't think they would.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        I don’t think you’ll find anywhere in the Roe overturn ruling, any reasoning that could be used to overturn a new law guaranteeing access to abortions.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • George KG George K

          @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

          Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

          One of the more interesting comments about the ruling is that the basic difference between the "two wings" of SCOTUS is that one wing judges on what the law should be, whereas the other one judges on what the law actually is.

          Perhaps an overly simplistic view, but it got my attention.

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          @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

          @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

          Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

          One of the more interesting comments about the ruling is that the basic difference between the "two wings" of SCOTUS is that one wing judges on what the law should be, whereas the other one judges on what the law actually is.

          Perhaps an overly simplistic view, but it got my attention.

          I imagine the two sides of the court as lawyers arguing cases for their client. Each side of the culture war is a client. Their lawyers on the Supreme Court fashion their constitutional case as well as they can, but the assumption going into it is that they know who their client is, and therefore which side they’re arguing.

          Once in a while judges use their prerogative to switch sides on a case, but with cases where progressives want new law to support their ideology, which is what Roe always was, I suspect the divisions will be exactly as predicted.

          Education is extremely important.

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            https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

            Please love yourself.

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            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

              https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

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              @Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

              https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

              The Roe overturn shouldn’t have anything to do with it. Texas has already established that pre-born have the same rights as anybody… Full props to this lady,

              The Brad

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              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

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                @Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

                I took care of a pregnant woman who was shot in the uterus. Fetus died, she survived.

                Perp charged with the death of the fetus. I don't remember the outcome of the charges.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                  https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

                  I took care of a pregnant woman who was shot in the uterus. Fetus died, she survived.

                  Perp charged with the death of the fetus. I don't remember the outcome of the charges.

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                  @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                  https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Pregnant-Texas-woman-driving-in-HOV-lane-told-17293221.php

                  I took care of a pregnant woman who was shot in the uterus. Fetus died, she survived.

                  Perp charged with the death of the fetus. I don't remember the outcome of the charges.

                  It’s actually always been the case that different areas of the law define concepts differently. Indeed you’ve probably seen definition sections at the beginning of congressional bills many times. It seems counterintuitive when defining such concepts as ‘person’ or ‘murder’ but it’s common all the same (e.g. corporations are people under contract law but not, obviously, family law).

                  So it’s pretty much always been the case that fetuses can (say) inherit money, or a person assaulting a pregnant woman can get charged with harming or killing the fetus, even though the same fetus could be aborted the next day.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    From a pro-life, pro-family perspective, it wouldn't be a bad idea to let an otherwise unaccompanied pregnant women use the HOV lanes on the account that that will reduce stress and is thus good for the fetus and the pregnant women.

                    There aren't that many pregnant women anyway so adding them to the HOV lanes shouldn't make that big of a difference to other users of the HOV lanes.

                    If the police suspects a driver is lying about being pregnant, just write up a citation anyway and let the accused provide a healthcare provider's note to validate the pregnancy claim to get the citation voided.

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      From a pro-life, pro-family perspective, it wouldn't be a bad idea to let an otherwise unaccompanied pregnant women use the HOV lanes on the account that that will reduce stress and is thus good for the fetus and the pregnant women.

                      There aren't that many pregnant women anyway so adding them to the HOV lanes shouldn't make that big of a difference to other users of the HOV lanes.

                      If the police suspects a driver is lying about being pregnant, just write up a citation anyway and let the accused provide a healthcare provider's note to validate the pregnancy claim to get the citation voided.

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                      @Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                      From a pro-life, pro-family perspective, it wouldn't be a bad idea to let otherwise an unaccompanied pregnant women use the HOV lanes on the account that that will reduce stress and is thus good for the fetus and the pregnant women.

                      There aren't that many pregnant women anyway so adding them to the HOV lanes shouldn't make that big of a difference to other users of the HOV lanes.

                      If the police suspects a driver is lying about being pregnant, just write up a citation anyway and let the accused provide a healthcare provider's note to validate the pregnancy claim to get the citation voided.

                      I think you've lurched into the truth...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        The rules regarding HOV lanes probably already took into account parents with kids (where “carpooling” isn’t saving any vehicle traffic) and perhaps even married spouses or family members.

                        If not it was sloppy law writing to begin with. The intent of the law is to reward groups who reduce vehicle traffic. You can never target that with perfect precision, but you can do better than “mom with child” or “mom with fetus” gets to use the HOV lanes.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          The rules regarding HOV lanes probably already took into account parents with kids (where “carpooling” isn’t saving any vehicle traffic) and perhaps even married spouses or family members.

                          If not it was sloppy law writing to begin with. The intent of the law is to reward groups who reduce vehicle traffic. You can never target that with perfect precision, but you can do better than “mom with child” or “mom with fetus” gets to use the HOV lanes.

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                          @jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                          The rules regarding HOV lanes probably already took into account parents with kids (where “carpooling” isn’t saving any vehicle traffic) and perhaps even married spouses or family members.

                          If not it was sloppy law writing to begin with. The intent of the law is to reward groups who reduce vehicle traffic. You can never target that with perfect precision, but you can do better than “mom with child” or “mom with fetus” gets to use the HOV lanes.

                          Actually, babies and children do count as passengers for HOV lanes in all 50 states. I wasn’t expecting it when I looked it up. I had a completely different post in mind…

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            @jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                            The rules regarding HOV lanes probably already took into account parents with kids (where “carpooling” isn’t saving any vehicle traffic) and perhaps even married spouses or family members.

                            If not it was sloppy law writing to begin with. The intent of the law is to reward groups who reduce vehicle traffic. You can never target that with perfect precision, but you can do better than “mom with child” or “mom with fetus” gets to use the HOV lanes.

                            Actually, babies and children do count as passengers for HOV lanes in all 50 states. I wasn’t expecting it when I looked it up. I had a completely different post in mind…

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                            @LuFins-Dad

                            I allowed for the possibility but it's badly written law. The point is to reward behavior that results in fewer cars on the road.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              There is something to be said for simplicity and ease of enforcement in a law.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.

                                I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.

                                This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.

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                                  In Indonesia, Jakarta (the capital city) has a minimum # of people in the car coming into the city during the morning rush hour.

                                  There would always be street kids that you could pick up and pay them maybe USD$0.50 to ride with you into town so that you had enough people in your car.

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                                  • CopperC Copper

                                    I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.

                                    I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.

                                    This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.

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                                    @Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                    I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.

                                    I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.

                                    This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.

                                    When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back, I became a Lyft Driver. Anytime I needed to go into DC I would turn on the directional filters and pick up a rider going into town. I got the HOV toll exemption and made gas money:..

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                      I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.

                                      I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.

                                      This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.

                                      When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back, I became a Lyft Driver. Anytime I needed to go into DC I would turn on the directional filters and pick up a rider going into town. I got the HOV toll exemption and made gas money:..

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                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                      When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back

                                      This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.

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                                      • 89th8 89th

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                        When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back

                                        This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.

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                                        @89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                        When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back

                                        This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.

                                        You know the worst part of that? They told us that as soon as the cost of the Dulles Toll Road was collected they would remove the toll booths.

                                        Then they recovered the cost so fast they couldn't believe it. And they decided there was no way they would stop that huge money stream. If you don't like it, too bad, go take Route 7.

                                        And of course most of the rest of the country gets free Interstate Highways, why should Fairfax County get nickel and dimed to death?

                                        I really hate those toll roads.

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                                        • CopperC Copper

                                          I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.

                                          I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.

                                          This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.

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                                          @Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                          I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.

                                          I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.

                                          This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.

                                          I used to use it in LA when I drove a stake truck all over the LA-Orange County area delivering hospital forms. Got caught once, it was $10. Meh.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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