The Ukraine war thread

[George K]

[Mik]

The crew survived? hell, it blew the whole tail off the thing.

[George K]

@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

The crew survived? hell, it blew the whole tail off the thing.

They probably ran away saying, "Fuck it."

[George K]

[George K]

@Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

An attack on Moscow would do wonders for morale.

See Jimmy Doolittle

[Copper]

They are going to Moscow.

11 hours, with tolls

[Renauda]

Worth reading:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/russia-ukraine-invasion-military-predictions/629418/?fbclid=IwAR1Rs-ag5rcaaHLxehN_9QeW4v47Lmtp-8FPJ_PxjqgGNg2IvXYYmled158

[Mik]

Yep. With twenty recent years of war under our belt, one would think we'd have a better perception of rival armies.

[George K]

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

Worth reading:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/russia-ukraine-invasion-military-predictions/629418/?fbclid=IwAR1Rs-ag5rcaaHLxehN_9QeW4v47Lmtp-8FPJ_PxjqgGNg2IvXYYmled158

This sort of dovetails with the article that said that Russia was still fighting in World War II style.

[George K]

War crimes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60949791

[Mik]

This is an interesting way to look at it. What if Putin did not miscalculate all along, but the West misread his intentions?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/stephens-what-if-putin-didn-t-miscalculate/ar-AAVMHsh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0d41292d515745b38f14675aa48e9f9b

[Renauda]

@Mik

Interesting but thin on credible supporting sources. Referring to David Knight Legg as an expert on energy alone undermines his argument.

Putin is a KGB hood not a calculating genius to try and pull off a heist worthy of a Bond villain as the oped suggests.

Sometimes an imperialist despot is just an imperialist despot. Nothing more.

[George K]

@Renauda yeah. If southeastern Ukraine was his goal all the time, would he have committed all the personnel and materiel around Kiev?

[Renauda]

@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

War crimes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60949791

Wait! There’s more:

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/4/2/almost-300-buried-in-mass-grave-in-bucha-near-kyiv-mayor

[Mik]

@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

@Renauda yeah. If southeastern Ukraine was his goal all the time, would he have committed all the personnel and materiel around Kiev?

Depend what he wants you to think.

[George K]

@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

War crimes.

Watch the entire horrific 1 minute video.

Later in the thread there are ghastly pictures of bodies, bound and hooded. And one, put into what looks like a storm drain.

[Mik]

Cementing hatred for generations.

[George K]

More war crimes: torture.

And, of course, Russia denies:

[jon-nyc]

Wow. Zalensky pills no punches.

And names names - Singling out Merkel and Sarkozy for blocking the path to NATO membership 14 years ago.

[Klaus]

Well, he is right about that.

My rants about Merkel are well-documented here But most Germans still believe she was a good chancellor. We are still in denial about a large number of issues.