Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate
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The costs will come down eventually, but you're right that for now it's still more expensive to own an EV. I recall a few years ago when I was buying a normal sedan, I was told the hybrid/battery versions of the car took about 5 years of gas savings to break even based on the higher price tag.
@89th said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
I was told the hybrid/battery versions of the car took about 5 years of gas savings to break even based on the higher price tag.
And then in 7 or 8 years, when the battery goes bad, you lose all that savings.
My '04 Civic hybrid battery cost me $2,400 to replace, last year.
When they say that most Americans can not handle a $600.00 emergency, that's going to come as a real shock when they need to shell out $2,400.
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@89th said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
The costs will come down eventually
In '04, I asked about the cost to replace the Hybrid battery and was told it was currently about $2,400.
In 2020, it was still $2,400.
So much for the price coming down.
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@89th said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
The costs will come down eventually
In '04, I asked about the cost to replace the Hybrid battery and was told it was currently about $2,400.
In 2020, it was still $2,400.
So much for the price coming down.
@improviso said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
In '04, I asked about the cost to replace the Hybrid battery and was told it was currently about $2,400.
In 2020, it was still $2,400.
So much for the price coming down.$2400 in 2020 has the buying power of about $1700 in 2004.
$2400 in 2004 is inflation-adjusted to $3300 in 2020.
"Price going down?" Nah. But your dollar is worth less today than 16-17 years ago.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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$2400 buys a lot of gas for a non-hybrid car that gets 40mpg.
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@jolly said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
$2400 buys a lot of gas for a non-hybrid car that gets 40mpg.
Sure does.
I won't ever be buying a hybrid again and certainly not an EV.
I don't know what the cost is for an EV battery replacement and I can guarantee I will personally never find out.
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@improviso said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
In '04, I asked about the cost to replace the Hybrid battery and was told it was currently about $2,400.
In 2020, it was still $2,400.
So much for the price coming down.$2400 in 2020 has the buying power of about $1700 in 2004.
$2400 in 2004 is inflation-adjusted to $3300 in 2020.
"Price going down?" Nah. But your dollar is worth less today than 16-17 years ago.
@george-k said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
@improviso said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
In '04, I asked about the cost to replace the Hybrid battery and was told it was currently about $2,400.
In 2020, it was still $2,400.
So much for the price coming down.$2400 in 2020 has the buying power of about $1700 in 2004.
$2400 in 2004 is inflation-adjusted to $3300 in 2020.
"Price going down?" Nah. But your dollar is worth less today than 16-17 years ago.
And will be worth a lot less again in 16-17 weeks.
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I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.
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I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.
@doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.
"Battery" as a concept is very broad, generally an energy storage device that can supply power using its stored energy. It does not even need to be "rechargeable."
The Matrix imagines a world where humans used as "batteries."
Even after we figure out miniaturized room-temperature nuclear fusion, it would still be a "battery," and that may not be a bad future.
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@doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.
"Battery" as a concept is very broad, generally an energy storage device that can supply power using its stored energy. It does not even need to be "rechargeable."
The Matrix imagines a world where humans used as "batteries."
Even after we figure out miniaturized room-temperature nuclear fusion, it would still be a "battery," and that may not be a bad future.
@axtremus said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
@doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.
"Battery" as a concept is very broad, generally an energy storage device that can supply power using its stored energy. It does not even need to be "rechargeable."
The Matrix imagines a world where humans used as "batteries."
Even after we figure out miniaturized room-temperature nuclear fusion, it would still be a "battery," and that may not be a bad future.
Have you been spending time with people from California by any chance?
I was only joking
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@axtremus said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
@doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.
"Battery" as a concept is very broad, generally an energy storage device that can supply power using its stored energy. It does not even need to be "rechargeable."
The Matrix imagines a world where humans used as "batteries."
Even after we figure out miniaturized room-temperature nuclear fusion, it would still be a "battery," and that may not be a bad future.
Have you been spending time with people from California by any chance?
@doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
Have you been spending time with people from California by any chance?
Well, I did have dinner with Horace once.
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Maybe hydrogen fuel car?
I know that there are many obstacle to overcome with safety, pressure tanks, etc. but could be a way to go.
Hydrogen is easy to get, and unlimited.
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Maybe I am a mind reader (LOL) but this article showed up after I had posted above.
(https://news.yahoo.com/toyota-testing-hydrogen-combustion-engines-042052030.html)
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Maybe I am a mind reader (LOL) but this article showed up after I had posted above.
(https://news.yahoo.com/toyota-testing-hydrogen-combustion-engines-042052030.html)
@taiwan_girl I remember reading that Toyota is really interested in hydrogen as a fuel. I was aware of them looking at it for fuel cells, but not as something to be used in an internal combustion engine.
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Hydrogen has to be the long-term solution. Batteries are disgusting great chemical things, whose main benefit appears to be making people feel better about themselves.
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Hydrogen has to be the long-term solution. Batteries are disgusting great chemical things, whose main benefit appears to be making people feel better about themselves.
@doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
Hydrogen has to be the long-term solution.
Maybe not so long
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The electric infrastructure is awful. Few people want to plan their trips around where they can charge up their cars. And that's not to say anything about the fact that, once you find a spot, it'll take you at least 20 minutes to "gas up."
I can see hydrogen as a much more practical alternative. I wonder what the retro-fit to traditional gas stations would be like. Presumably, easier than building new charging stations de novo.
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The electric infrastructure is awful. Few people want to plan their trips around where they can charge up their cars. And that's not to say anything about the fact that, once you find a spot, it'll take you at least 20 minutes to "gas up."
I can see hydrogen as a much more practical alternative. I wonder what the retro-fit to traditional gas stations would be like. Presumably, easier than building new charging stations de novo.
@george-k said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
I can see hydrogen as a much more practical alternative. I wonder what the retro-fit to traditional gas stations would be like. Presumably, easier than building new charging stations de novo.
I have to admit, I worry slightly about people with, shall we say, "below-average" technical skills and safety-awareness tinkering about with compressed hydrogen. It leaks really, really easily, and it ignites even more so, and when burning it has no visible flame. If you manage to make it explode, well....it's loud, and full of energy!
