Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate
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wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 02:15 last edited by
A new study that I saw which concludes that EV cars are more expensive on a "per mile" comparison. They take into account "wasted time" spent refueling, driving out of your way to recharge, and potential cost to install home charger.
Interesting reading. I think alot of the extra costs will decrease with improved batteries and infrastructure.
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wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 10:45 last edited by
The costs will come down eventually, but you're right that for now it's still more expensive to own an EV. I recall a few years ago when I was buying a normal sedan, I was told the hybrid/battery versions of the car took about 5 years of gas savings to break even based on the higher price tag.
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The costs will come down eventually, but you're right that for now it's still more expensive to own an EV. I recall a few years ago when I was buying a normal sedan, I was told the hybrid/battery versions of the car took about 5 years of gas savings to break even based on the higher price tag.
wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 11:00 last edited by@89th said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
I was told the hybrid/battery versions of the car took about 5 years of gas savings to break even based on the higher price tag.
And then in 7 or 8 years, when the battery goes bad, you lose all that savings.
My '04 Civic hybrid battery cost me $2,400 to replace, last year.
When they say that most Americans can not handle a $600.00 emergency, that's going to come as a real shock when they need to shell out $2,400.
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wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 11:02 last edited by
@89th said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
The costs will come down eventually
In '04, I asked about the cost to replace the Hybrid battery and was told it was currently about $2,400.
In 2020, it was still $2,400.
So much for the price coming down.
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@89th said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
The costs will come down eventually
In '04, I asked about the cost to replace the Hybrid battery and was told it was currently about $2,400.
In 2020, it was still $2,400.
So much for the price coming down.
wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 12:07 last edited by@improviso said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
In '04, I asked about the cost to replace the Hybrid battery and was told it was currently about $2,400.
In 2020, it was still $2,400.
So much for the price coming down.$2400 in 2020 has the buying power of about $1700 in 2004.
$2400 in 2004 is inflation-adjusted to $3300 in 2020.
"Price going down?" Nah. But your dollar is worth less today than 16-17 years ago.
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wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 12:28 last edited by Jolly
$2400 buys a lot of gas for a non-hybrid car that gets 40mpg.
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wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 13:51 last edited by
@jolly said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
$2400 buys a lot of gas for a non-hybrid car that gets 40mpg.
Sure does.
I won't ever be buying a hybrid again and certainly not an EV.
I don't know what the cost is for an EV battery replacement and I can guarantee I will personally never find out.
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wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 14:10 last edited by Jolly
Wonder if kenny is still blocking traffic in his?
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wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 15:26 last edited by
My last hybrid got a battery replacement under warranty. It later got totaled in an accident. So I do not have to worry about replacing a drive train battery anymore. :man-shrugging:
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@improviso said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
In '04, I asked about the cost to replace the Hybrid battery and was told it was currently about $2,400.
In 2020, it was still $2,400.
So much for the price coming down.$2400 in 2020 has the buying power of about $1700 in 2004.
$2400 in 2004 is inflation-adjusted to $3300 in 2020.
"Price going down?" Nah. But your dollar is worth less today than 16-17 years ago.
wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 15:43 last edited by@george-k said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
@improviso said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
In '04, I asked about the cost to replace the Hybrid battery and was told it was currently about $2,400.
In 2020, it was still $2,400.
So much for the price coming down.$2400 in 2020 has the buying power of about $1700 in 2004.
$2400 in 2004 is inflation-adjusted to $3300 in 2020.
"Price going down?" Nah. But your dollar is worth less today than 16-17 years ago.
And will be worth a lot less again in 16-17 weeks.
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wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 20:29 last edited by
I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.
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I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.
wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 22:32 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.
"Battery" as a concept is very broad, generally an energy storage device that can supply power using its stored energy. It does not even need to be "rechargeable."
The Matrix imagines a world where humans used as "batteries."
Even after we figure out miniaturized room-temperature nuclear fusion, it would still be a "battery," and that may not be a bad future.
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@doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.
"Battery" as a concept is very broad, generally an energy storage device that can supply power using its stored energy. It does not even need to be "rechargeable."
The Matrix imagines a world where humans used as "batteries."
Even after we figure out miniaturized room-temperature nuclear fusion, it would still be a "battery," and that may not be a bad future.
wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 22:36 last edited by@axtremus said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
@doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.
"Battery" as a concept is very broad, generally an energy storage device that can supply power using its stored energy. It does not even need to be "rechargeable."
The Matrix imagines a world where humans used as "batteries."
Even after we figure out miniaturized room-temperature nuclear fusion, it would still be a "battery," and that may not be a bad future.
Have you been spending time with people from California by any chance?
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wrote on 26 Oct 2021, 22:53 last edited by Renauda
Batteries have reduced efficiency and short life spans in climates with winter conditions of less than -25 C for long durations.
The technology has to come a long way before I will ever be interested.
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@axtremus said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
@doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.
"Battery" as a concept is very broad, generally an energy storage device that can supply power using its stored energy. It does not even need to be "rechargeable."
The Matrix imagines a world where humans used as "batteries."
Even after we figure out miniaturized room-temperature nuclear fusion, it would still be a "battery," and that may not be a bad future.
Have you been spending time with people from California by any chance?
wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 02:10 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
Have you been spending time with people from California by any chance?
Well, I did have dinner with Horace once.
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wrote on 28 Oct 2021, 02:24 last edited by
Maybe hydrogen fuel car?
I know that there are many obstacle to overcome with safety, pressure tanks, etc. but could be a way to go.
Hydrogen is easy to get, and unlimited.
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 01:50 last edited by
Maybe I am a mind reader (LOL) but this article showed up after I had posted above.
(https://news.yahoo.com/toyota-testing-hydrogen-combustion-engines-042052030.html)
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Maybe I am a mind reader (LOL) but this article showed up after I had posted above.
(https://news.yahoo.com/toyota-testing-hydrogen-combustion-engines-042052030.html)
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 11:10 last edited by@taiwan_girl I remember reading that Toyota is really interested in hydrogen as a fuel. I was aware of them looking at it for fuel cells, but not as something to be used in an internal combustion engine.
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 11:54 last edited by
Hydrogen has to be the long-term solution. Batteries are disgusting great chemical things, whose main benefit appears to be making people feel better about themselves.
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Hydrogen has to be the long-term solution. Batteries are disgusting great chemical things, whose main benefit appears to be making people feel better about themselves.
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 12:10 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:
Hydrogen has to be the long-term solution.
Maybe not so long
