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Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate

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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    @doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

    I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.

    "Battery" as a concept is very broad, generally an energy storage device that can supply power using its stored energy. It does not even need to be "rechargeable."

    The Matrix imagines a world where humans used as "batteries."

    Even after we figure out miniaturized room-temperature nuclear fusion, it would still be a "battery," and that may not be a bad future.

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    @axtremus said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

    @doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

    I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.

    "Battery" as a concept is very broad, generally an energy storage device that can supply power using its stored energy. It does not even need to be "rechargeable."

    The Matrix imagines a world where humans used as "batteries."

    Even after we figure out miniaturized room-temperature nuclear fusion, it would still be a "battery," and that may not be a bad future.

    Have you been spending time with people from California by any chance?

    I was only joking

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      Renauda
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      #14

      Batteries have reduced efficiency and short life spans in climates with winter conditions of less than -25 C for long durations.

      The technology has to come a long way before I will ever be interested.

      Elbows up!

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        @axtremus said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

        @doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

        I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.

        "Battery" as a concept is very broad, generally an energy storage device that can supply power using its stored energy. It does not even need to be "rechargeable."

        The Matrix imagines a world where humans used as "batteries."

        Even after we figure out miniaturized room-temperature nuclear fusion, it would still be a "battery," and that may not be a bad future.

        Have you been spending time with people from California by any chance?

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        Axtremus
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        #15

        @doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

        Have you been spending time with people from California by any chance?

        Well, I did have dinner with Horace once.

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          Maybe hydrogen fuel car?

          I know that there are many obstacle to overcome with safety, pressure tanks, etc. but could be a way to go.

          Hydrogen is easy to get, and unlimited.

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            #17

            Maybe I am a mind reader (LOL) but this article showed up after I had posted above.

            (https://news.yahoo.com/toyota-testing-hydrogen-combustion-engines-042052030.html)

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            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

              Maybe I am a mind reader (LOL) but this article showed up after I had posted above.

              (https://news.yahoo.com/toyota-testing-hydrogen-combustion-engines-042052030.html)

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              George K
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              #18

              @taiwan_girl I remember reading that Toyota is really interested in hydrogen as a fuel. I was aware of them looking at it for fuel cells, but not as something to be used in an internal combustion engine.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                #19

                Hydrogen has to be the long-term solution. Batteries are disgusting great chemical things, whose main benefit appears to be making people feel better about themselves.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  Hydrogen has to be the long-term solution. Batteries are disgusting great chemical things, whose main benefit appears to be making people feel better about themselves.

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                  @doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

                  Hydrogen has to be the long-term solution.

                  Maybe not so long

                  https://futurism.com/toyota-selling-hydrogen-fuel-cell-car

                  https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1133367_toyota-will-make-hydrogen-fuel-cell-modules-in-the-us-starting-in-2023

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                    The electric infrastructure is awful. Few people want to plan their trips around where they can charge up their cars. And that's not to say anything about the fact that, once you find a spot, it'll take you at least 20 minutes to "gas up."

                    I can see hydrogen as a much more practical alternative. I wonder what the retro-fit to traditional gas stations would be like. Presumably, easier than building new charging stations de novo.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      The electric infrastructure is awful. Few people want to plan their trips around where they can charge up their cars. And that's not to say anything about the fact that, once you find a spot, it'll take you at least 20 minutes to "gas up."

                      I can see hydrogen as a much more practical alternative. I wonder what the retro-fit to traditional gas stations would be like. Presumably, easier than building new charging stations de novo.

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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      @george-k said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

                      I can see hydrogen as a much more practical alternative. I wonder what the retro-fit to traditional gas stations would be like. Presumably, easier than building new charging stations de novo.

                      I have to admit, I worry slightly about people with, shall we say, "below-average" technical skills and safety-awareness tinkering about with compressed hydrogen. It leaks really, really easily, and it ignites even more so, and when burning it has no visible flame. If you manage to make it explode, well....it's loud, and full of energy!

                      I was only joking

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                        They'll learn.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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