Spying?
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@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:
@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:
We're not talking a one-off or sudden disclosure of classified information. We're talking about something that has been proven to happen multiple times. We're talking about a series of events. We're talking normalization of criminal behavior by your government.
I've literally heard this all before, man. All of it. Tucker's complaints amount to about a sliver of what the Snowden documents revealed in terms of what the government already considers commonplace practice.
Respectfully, I think the story is "this affects all of us, I'm beyond the politics" because it's Tucker Carlson. If it were Ta-Nehisi Coates I really don't believe your perspective would be the same.
Then I assume you condone such actions?
If you had read any of my posts when the Snowden documents became public, which you didn't, you'd know I have a serious problem with them.
Had you read them at the time, you'd also be keenly aware of my disbelief that you and other conservatives were not taking any of it seriously, deciding to completely focus instead on how much of a shithead Edward Snowden was.
So I'm sorry, it's hard for me not to roll my eyes over the Carlson stuff. None of this shit is new. If it's new to you then you haven't been paying nearly enough attention.
Again, you're just miffed because no one paid attention to your lone howl in the wilderness. Well, as of right now, that and a dollar bill will buy a small cup of
at MickeyD's.In the here and now, what is your position?
@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:
@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:
We're not talking a one-off or sudden disclosure of classified information. We're talking about something that has been proven to happen multiple times. We're talking about a series of events. We're talking normalization of criminal behavior by your government.
I've literally heard this all before, man. All of it. Tucker's complaints amount to about a sliver of what the Snowden documents revealed in terms of what the government already considers commonplace practice.
Respectfully, I think the story is "this affects all of us, I'm beyond the politics" because it's Tucker Carlson. If it were Ta-Nehisi Coates I really don't believe your perspective would be the same.
Then I assume you condone such actions?
If you had read any of my posts when the Snowden documents became public, which you didn't, you'd know I have a serious problem with them.
Had you read them at the time, you'd also be keenly aware of my disbelief that you and other conservatives were not taking any of it seriously, deciding to completely focus instead on how much of a shithead Edward Snowden was.
So I'm sorry, it's hard for me not to roll my eyes over the Carlson stuff. None of this shit is new. If it's new to you then you haven't been paying nearly enough attention.
Again, you're just miffed because no one paid attention to your lone howl in the wilderness. Well, as of right now, that and a dollar bill will buy a small cup of
at MickeyD's.In the here and now, what is your position?
Good luck dismantling the secret courts. Privacy died about 10 years ago. Which was an abomination but what can you do.
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Incidentally, Piers Morgan is not a US Citizen.
I'd like to volunteer his services to be spied on by the US Government, and hopefully he can receive a bonus follow-up waterboarding. All perfectly legal.
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Don't get hung up on the politics.
Okay, who are you and what have you done with Jolly???
There are some things that are above politics. If we can't agree on this, piss on the campfire and call the dogs, it's over.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
There are some things that are above politics.
Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.
Sod off.
Truly and sincerely. It's a serious issue, and it deserves serious consideration.
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@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
There are some things that are above politics.
Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.
Sod off.
Truly and sincerely. It's a serious issue, and it deserves serious consideration.
@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
There are some things that are above politics.
Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.
Sod off.
Truly and sincerely. It's a serious issue, and it deserves serious consideration.
I completely agree. I thought it was a serious issue back when Snowden and that creepy Australian were the news story, too.
However, it's nothing new.
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NSA denies it. Who has the next move?
They deny targeting him. Not that they have his emails.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Shouldn’t he get Fox onboard as a first step?
No idea.
But the annotations on the so-called "denial" are pretty lawyerly, aren't they?
Again, the only thing they explicitly deny is him being an "intelligence target."
Hmmm....I wonder if NSA has other kinds of "targets?"
My limited understanding is that anytime someone, say even an ambassador makes contact with a foreign entity of interest a masked entry occurs. Unmasking to the public is illegal. So the question if TuCa’s allegation is true is that the NSA intnentionally unmasked him..or someone with access leaked it. So maybe NSA has to find the leak or TuCa would know he was targeted by virtue of contacting Putin and is making shit up.
His employer should support him, why are they quiet??
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Shouldn’t he get Fox onboard as a first step?
No idea.
But the annotations on the so-called "denial" are pretty lawyerly, aren't they?
Again, the only thing they explicitly deny is him being an "intelligence target."
Hmmm....I wonder if NSA has other kinds of "targets?"
My limited understanding is that anytime someone, say even an ambassador makes contact with a foreign entity of interest a masked entry occurs. Unmasking to the public is illegal. So the question if TuCa’s allegation is true is that the NSA intnentionally unmasked him..or someone with access leaked it. So maybe NSA has to find the leak or TuCa would know he was targeted by virtue of contacting Putin and is making shit up.
His employer should support him, why are they quiet??
Unmasking to the public is illegal.
Is unmasking to other members of the NSA illegal? I don't know.
However, it was revealed that various members of the incoming Trump administration were unmasked as well. How did that become public? Through a FOIA? Again, I don't know.
I can't speak to the reticence of Fox to involve themselves.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I think Fox may be onboard, or they wouldn't have let him run with the story the way he has.
Just my opinion, but it seems pretty straightforward...TC tries to get an interview with Putin. NSA rightly takes a look at the email to verify nothing nefarious is happening.
TC is identified as Subject #1 or whatever terminology NSA uses to mask a citizen's identity. The emails probably get kicked to an analyst's desk and then to somebody in a supervisory role. If it's determined Subject #1 needs more intensive surveillance, the NSA can go to the FISA court and get permission to do so.
What has happened, is that TC's email did not rise to anywhere near FISA court level stuff, but somebody decided to unmask him and then leak the fact he was communicating with Putin, in order to try to cause negative consequences.
The somebody is really important to know.
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Unmasking to the public is illegal.
Is unmasking to other members of the NSA illegal? I don't know.
However, it was revealed that various members of the incoming Trump administration were unmasked as well. How did that become public? Through a FOIA? Again, I don't know.
I can't speak to the reticence of Fox to involve themselves.
Unmasking to the public is illegal.
Is unmasking to other members of the NSA illegal? I don't know.
However, it was revealed that various members of the incoming Trump administration were unmasked as well. How did that become public? Through a FOIA? Again, I don't know.
I can't speak to the reticence of Fox to involve themselves.
Wasn't that revealed through the Carter Page investigations by Mueller and Horowitz?
Regardless, Page's lawsuit against the FBI and Justice Department is still on-going, methinks.
