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  • L Offline
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    Loki
    wrote on last edited by
    #68

    Is TuCa still talking about this or just us?

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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
      #69

      Incidentally, Piers Morgan is not a US Citizen.

      I'd like to volunteer his services to be spied on by the US Government, and hopefully he can receive a bonus follow-up waterboarding. All perfectly legal.

      I was only joking

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Don't get hung up on the politics.

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        Catseye3
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        #70

        @jolly said in Spying?:

        Don't get hung up on the politics.

        Okay, who are you and what have you done with Jolly???

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        • Catseye3C Catseye3

          @jolly said in Spying?:

          Don't get hung up on the politics.

          Okay, who are you and what have you done with Jolly???

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          Jolly
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          #71

          @catseye3 said in Spying?:

          @jolly said in Spying?:

          Don't get hung up on the politics.

          Okay, who are you and what have you done with Jolly???

          There are some things that are above politics. If we can't agree on this, piss on the campfire and call the dogs, it's over.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @catseye3 said in Spying?:

            @jolly said in Spying?:

            Don't get hung up on the politics.

            Okay, who are you and what have you done with Jolly???

            There are some things that are above politics. If we can't agree on this, piss on the campfire and call the dogs, it's over.

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            Doctor Phibes
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            #72

            @jolly said in Spying?:

            There are some things that are above politics.

            Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              @jolly said in Spying?:

              There are some things that are above politics.

              Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.

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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #73

              @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

              @jolly said in Spying?:

              There are some things that are above politics.

              Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.

              Sod off.

              Truly and sincerely. It's a serious issue, and it deserves serious consideration.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

                @jolly said in Spying?:

                There are some things that are above politics.

                Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.

                Sod off.

                Truly and sincerely. It's a serious issue, and it deserves serious consideration.

                Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                #74

                @jolly said in Spying?:

                @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

                @jolly said in Spying?:

                There are some things that are above politics.

                Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.

                Sod off.

                Truly and sincerely. It's a serious issue, and it deserves serious consideration.

                I completely agree. I thought it was a serious issue back when Snowden and that creepy Australian were the news story, too.

                However, it's nothing new.

                I was only joking

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                  Loki
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #75

                  NSA denies it. Who has the next move?

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                    Jolly
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                    #76

                    That's the non-denial George was referring to.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      Catseye3
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                      #77

                      "Tucker Carlson has never been an intelligence target of this agency."

                      I swear, sometimes the jokes just write themselves. 😂

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • L Loki

                        NSA denies it. Who has the next move?

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #78

                        @loki said in Spying?:

                        NSA denies it. Who has the next move?

                        His book publisher?

                        I was only joking

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          That's the non-denial George was referring to.

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                          Loki
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                          #79

                          @jolly said in Spying?:

                          That's the non-denial George was referring to.

                          Here is an equally good question, why has Fox News, his employer, NOT confirmed the allegation?

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                          • L Loki

                            NSA denies it. Who has the next move?

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                            George K
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                            #80

                            @loki said in Spying?:

                            NSA denies it. Who has the next move?

                            They deny targeting him. Not that they have his emails.

                            Screen Shot 2021-07-09 at 3.18.34 PM.png

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @loki said in Spying?:

                              NSA denies it. Who has the next move?

                              They deny targeting him. Not that they have his emails.

                              Screen Shot 2021-07-09 at 3.18.34 PM.png

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                              Loki
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                              #81

                              @george-k said in Spying?:

                              @loki said in Spying?:

                              NSA denies it. Who has the next move?

                              They deny targeting him. Not that they have his emails.

                              Screen Shot 2021-07-09 at 3.18.34 PM.png

                              Shouldn’t he get Fox onboard as a first step?

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                              • L Loki

                                @george-k said in Spying?:

                                @loki said in Spying?:

                                NSA denies it. Who has the next move?

                                They deny targeting him. Not that they have his emails.

                                Screen Shot 2021-07-09 at 3.18.34 PM.png

                                Shouldn’t he get Fox onboard as a first step?

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                                George K
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                                #82

                                @loki said in Spying?:

                                Shouldn’t he get Fox onboard as a first step?

                                No idea.

                                But the annotations on the so-called "denial" are pretty lawyerly, aren't they?

                                Again, the only thing they explicitly deny is him being an "intelligence target."

                                Hmmm....I wonder if NSA has other kinds of "targets?"

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @loki said in Spying?:

                                  Shouldn’t he get Fox onboard as a first step?

                                  No idea.

                                  But the annotations on the so-called "denial" are pretty lawyerly, aren't they?

                                  Again, the only thing they explicitly deny is him being an "intelligence target."

                                  Hmmm....I wonder if NSA has other kinds of "targets?"

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                                  Loki
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #83

                                  @george-k said in Spying?:

                                  @loki said in Spying?:

                                  Shouldn’t he get Fox onboard as a first step?

                                  No idea.

                                  But the annotations on the so-called "denial" are pretty lawyerly, aren't they?

                                  Again, the only thing they explicitly deny is him being an "intelligence target."

                                  Hmmm....I wonder if NSA has other kinds of "targets?"

                                  My limited understanding is that anytime someone, say even an ambassador makes contact with a foreign entity of interest a masked entry occurs. Unmasking to the public is illegal. So the question if TuCa’s allegation is true is that the NSA intnentionally unmasked him..or someone with access leaked it. So maybe NSA has to find the leak or TuCa would know he was targeted by virtue of contacting Putin and is making shit up.

                                  His employer should support him, why are they quiet??

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                                  • L Loki

                                    @george-k said in Spying?:

                                    @loki said in Spying?:

                                    Shouldn’t he get Fox onboard as a first step?

                                    No idea.

                                    But the annotations on the so-called "denial" are pretty lawyerly, aren't they?

                                    Again, the only thing they explicitly deny is him being an "intelligence target."

                                    Hmmm....I wonder if NSA has other kinds of "targets?"

                                    My limited understanding is that anytime someone, say even an ambassador makes contact with a foreign entity of interest a masked entry occurs. Unmasking to the public is illegal. So the question if TuCa’s allegation is true is that the NSA intnentionally unmasked him..or someone with access leaked it. So maybe NSA has to find the leak or TuCa would know he was targeted by virtue of contacting Putin and is making shit up.

                                    His employer should support him, why are they quiet??

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #84

                                    @loki said in Spying?:

                                    Unmasking to the public is illegal.

                                    Is unmasking to other members of the NSA illegal? I don't know.

                                    However, it was revealed that various members of the incoming Trump administration were unmasked as well. How did that become public? Through a FOIA? Again, I don't know.

                                    I can't speak to the reticence of Fox to involve themselves.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #85

                                      I think Fox may be onboard, or they wouldn't have let him run with the story the way he has.

                                      Just my opinion, but it seems pretty straightforward...TC tries to get an interview with Putin. NSA rightly takes a look at the email to verify nothing nefarious is happening.

                                      TC is identified as Subject #1 or whatever terminology NSA uses to mask a citizen's identity. The emails probably get kicked to an analyst's desk and then to somebody in a supervisory role. If it's determined Subject #1 needs more intensive surveillance, the NSA can go to the FISA court and get permission to do so.

                                      What has happened, is that TC's email did not rise to anywhere near FISA court level stuff, but somebody decided to unmask him and then leak the fact he was communicating with Putin, in order to try to cause negative consequences.

                                      The somebody is really important to know.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        @loki said in Spying?:

                                        Unmasking to the public is illegal.

                                        Is unmasking to other members of the NSA illegal? I don't know.

                                        However, it was revealed that various members of the incoming Trump administration were unmasked as well. How did that become public? Through a FOIA? Again, I don't know.

                                        I can't speak to the reticence of Fox to involve themselves.

                                        JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #86

                                        @george-k said in Spying?:

                                        @loki said in Spying?:

                                        Unmasking to the public is illegal.

                                        Is unmasking to other members of the NSA illegal? I don't know.

                                        However, it was revealed that various members of the incoming Trump administration were unmasked as well. How did that become public? Through a FOIA? Again, I don't know.

                                        I can't speak to the reticence of Fox to involve themselves.

                                        Wasn't that revealed through the Carter Page investigations by Mueller and Horowitz?

                                        Regardless, Page's lawsuit against the FBI and Justice Department is still on-going, methinks.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          Loki
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                                          #87

                                          All interesting convo but until Fox gets on board I can’t expect anyone else to get too excited.

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