Spying?

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

We're not talking a one-off or sudden disclosure of classified information. We're talking about something that has been proven to happen multiple times. We're talking about a series of events. We're talking normalization of criminal behavior by your government.

I've literally heard this all before, man. All of it. Tucker's complaints amount to about a sliver of what the Snowden documents revealed in terms of what the government already considers commonplace practice.

Respectfully, I think the story is "this affects all of us, I'm beyond the politics" because it's Tucker Carlson. If it were Ta-Nehisi Coates I really don't believe your perspective would be the same.

Then I assume you condone such actions?

If you had read any of my posts when the Snowden documents became public, which you didn't, you'd know I have a serious problem with them.

Had you read them at the time, you'd also be keenly aware of my disbelief that you and other conservatives were not taking any of it seriously, deciding to completely focus instead on how much of a shithead Edward Snowden was.

So I'm sorry, it's hard for me not to roll my eyes over the Carlson stuff. None of this shit is new. If it's new to you then you haven't been paying nearly enough attention.

Again, you're just miffed because no one paid attention to your lone howl in the wilderness. Well, as of right now, that and a dollar bill will buy a small cup of at MickeyD's.

In the here and now, what is your position?

I agreed with him at the time, and made the exact point that it doesn't matter what kind of person Snowden is.

Now, you're complaining about us being, and I quote, 'partisan dim-witted bastards'.

Your lack of self-awareness is hilarious.

And your mere existence is hilarious.

Next...

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in Spying?:

@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

We're not talking a one-off or sudden disclosure of classified information. We're talking about something that has been proven to happen multiple times. We're talking about a series of events. We're talking normalization of criminal behavior by your government.

I've literally heard this all before, man. All of it. Tucker's complaints amount to about a sliver of what the Snowden documents revealed in terms of what the government already considers commonplace practice.

Respectfully, I think the story is "this affects all of us, I'm beyond the politics" because it's Tucker Carlson. If it were Ta-Nehisi Coates I really don't believe your perspective would be the same.

Then I assume you condone such actions?

If you had read any of my posts when the Snowden documents became public, which you didn't, you'd know I have a serious problem with them.

Had you read them at the time, you'd also be keenly aware of my disbelief that you and other conservatives were not taking any of it seriously, deciding to completely focus instead on how much of a shithead Edward Snowden was.

So I'm sorry, it's hard for me not to roll my eyes over the Carlson stuff. None of this shit is new. If it's new to you then you haven't been paying nearly enough attention.

Again, you're just miffed because no one paid attention to your lone howl in the wilderness. Well, as of right now, that and a dollar bill will buy a small cup of at MickeyD's.

In the here and now, what is your position?

I agreed with him at the time, and made the exact point that it doesn't matter what kind of person Snowden is.

Now, you're complaining about us being, and I quote, 'partisan dim-witted bastards'.

Your lack of self-awareness is hilarious.

And your mere existence is hilarious.

Next...

Oh yeah, you really nailed me with that comeback.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

We're not talking a one-off or sudden disclosure of classified information. We're talking about something that has been proven to happen multiple times. We're talking about a series of events. We're talking normalization of criminal behavior by your government.

I've literally heard this all before, man. All of it. Tucker's complaints amount to about a sliver of what the Snowden documents revealed in terms of what the government already considers commonplace practice.

Respectfully, I think the story is "this affects all of us, I'm beyond the politics" because it's Tucker Carlson. If it were Ta-Nehisi Coates I really don't believe your perspective would be the same.

Then I assume you condone such actions?

If you had read any of my posts when the Snowden documents became public, which you didn't, you'd know I have a serious problem with them.

Had you read them at the time, you'd also be keenly aware of my disbelief that you and other conservatives were not taking any of it seriously, deciding to completely focus instead on how much of a shithead Edward Snowden was.

So I'm sorry, it's hard for me not to roll my eyes over the Carlson stuff. None of this shit is new. If it's new to you then you haven't been paying nearly enough attention.

Again, you're just miffed because no one paid attention to your lone howl in the wilderness. Well, as of right now, that and a dollar bill will buy a small cup of at MickeyD's.

In the here and now, what is your position?

Good luck dismantling the secret courts. Privacy died about 10 years ago. Which was an abomination but what can you do.

[Loki]

Is TuCa still talking about this or just us?

[Doctor Phibes]

Incidentally, Piers Morgan is not a US Citizen.

I'd like to volunteer his services to be spied on by the US Government, and hopefully he can receive a bonus follow-up waterboarding. All perfectly legal.

[Catseye3]

@jolly said in Spying?:

Don't get hung up on the politics.

Okay, who are you and what have you done with Jolly???

[Jolly]

@catseye3 said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

Don't get hung up on the politics.

Okay, who are you and what have you done with Jolly???

There are some things that are above politics. If we can't agree on this, piss on the campfire and call the dogs, it's over.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in Spying?:

There are some things that are above politics.

Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

There are some things that are above politics.

Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.

Sod off.

Truly and sincerely. It's a serious issue, and it deserves serious consideration.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in Spying?:

@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

There are some things that are above politics.

Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.

Sod off.

Truly and sincerely. It's a serious issue, and it deserves serious consideration.

I completely agree. I thought it was a serious issue back when Snowden and that creepy Australian were the news story, too.

However, it's nothing new.

[Loki]

NSA denies it. Who has the next move?

[Jolly]

That's the non-denial George was referring to.

[Catseye3]

"Tucker Carlson has never been an intelligence target of this agency."

I swear, sometimes the jokes just write themselves.

[Doctor Phibes]

[Loki]

@jolly said in Spying?:

That's the non-denial George was referring to.

Here is an equally good question, why has Fox News, his employer, NOT confirmed the allegation?

[George K]

[Loki]

@george-k said in Spying?:

@loki said in Spying?:

NSA denies it. Who has the next move?

They deny targeting him. Not that they have his emails.

Shouldn’t he get Fox onboard as a first step?

[George K]

@loki said in Spying?:

Shouldn’t he get Fox onboard as a first step?

No idea.

But the annotations on the so-called "denial" are pretty lawyerly, aren't they?

Again, the only thing they explicitly deny is him being an "intelligence target."

Hmmm....I wonder if NSA has other kinds of "targets?"

[Loki]

@george-k said in Spying?:

@loki said in Spying?:

Shouldn’t he get Fox onboard as a first step?

No idea.

But the annotations on the so-called "denial" are pretty lawyerly, aren't they?

Again, the only thing they explicitly deny is him being an "intelligence target."

Hmmm....I wonder if NSA has other kinds of "targets?"

My limited understanding is that anytime someone, say even an ambassador makes contact with a foreign entity of interest a masked entry occurs. Unmasking to the public is illegal. So the question if TuCa’s allegation is true is that the NSA intnentionally unmasked him..or someone with access leaked it. So maybe NSA has to find the leak or TuCa would know he was targeted by virtue of contacting Putin and is making shit up.

His employer should support him, why are they quiet??

[George K]

@loki said in Spying?:

Unmasking to the public is illegal.

Is unmasking to other members of the NSA illegal? I don't know.

However, it was revealed that various members of the incoming Trump administration were unmasked as well. How did that become public? Through a FOIA? Again, I don't know.

I can't speak to the reticence of Fox to involve themselves.