Spying?

[Jolly]

@george-k said in Spying?:

@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

It looks as though they were spying on Russians, and he started to talking to them, so they spied on him.

Not quite. He was trying to arrange an interview with Putin - Chris Wallace got a Pulitzer (I believe) for that. This kind of communication is common by people in the press. NSA will monitor conversations of foreign nationals, but if they include a US citizen, he is to be not identified, unless a specific request is made to "unmask" him. There is should be a high bar for that kind of request.

Note, the NSA's 'non-denial' specifically said that Carlson was "not a target." They didn't say that they didn't have and read his emails.

And that comes back to my point, who in NSA or elsewhere thought that bar had been reached, and why?

It boils down to a couple of things:

1. There is an employee or employees within NSA who are leaking for political purposes. They need to be vigorously rooted out, and prosecuted. Or...
2. A ranking official authorized the unmasking and abetted the leaking. This is worse on a logarithmic scale. This becomes institutional political warfare, that must be stopped.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

We're not talking a one-off or sudden disclosure of classified information. We're talking about something that has been proven to happen multiple times. We're talking about a series of events. We're talking normalization of criminal behavior by your government.

I've literally heard this all before, man. All of it. Tucker's complaints amount to about a sliver of what the Snowden documents revealed in terms of what the government already considers commonplace practice.

Respectfully, I think the story is "this affects all of us, I'm beyond the politics" because it's Tucker Carlson. If it were Ta-Nehisi Coates I really don't believe your perspective would be the same.

Then I assume you condone such actions?

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

We're not talking a one-off or sudden disclosure of classified information. We're talking about something that has been proven to happen multiple times. We're talking about a series of events. We're talking normalization of criminal behavior by your government.

I've literally heard this all before, man. All of it. Tucker's complaints amount to about a sliver of what the Snowden documents revealed in terms of what the government already considers commonplace practice.

Respectfully, I think the story is "this affects all of us, I'm beyond the politics" because it's Tucker Carlson. If it were Ta-Nehisi Coates I really don't believe your perspective would be the same.

Then I assume you condone such actions?

If you had read any of my posts when the Snowden documents became public, which you didn't, you'd know I have a serious problem with them.

Had you read them at the time, you'd also be keenly aware of my disbelief that you and other conservatives were not taking any of it seriously, deciding to completely focus instead on how much of a shithead Edward Snowden was.

So I'm sorry, it's hard for me not to roll my eyes over the Carlson stuff. None of this shit is new. If it's new to you then you haven't been paying nearly enough attention.

[Aqua Letifer]

What's especially insane to me is that this, too, always becomes a partisan issue. Whoever complains about it gets support from their side until the next Bad Thing happens, and the opposite side ignores it until it's their mouthpiece's turn. No one actually gives a shit that the very concept of privacy died about a decade ago.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

We're not talking a one-off or sudden disclosure of classified information. We're talking about something that has been proven to happen multiple times. We're talking about a series of events. We're talking normalization of criminal behavior by your government.

I've literally heard this all before, man. All of it. Tucker's complaints amount to about a sliver of what the Snowden documents revealed in terms of what the government already considers commonplace practice.

Respectfully, I think the story is "this affects all of us, I'm beyond the politics" because it's Tucker Carlson. If it were Ta-Nehisi Coates I really don't believe your perspective would be the same.

Then I assume you condone such actions?

If you had read any of my posts when the Snowden documents became public, which you didn't, you'd know I have a serious problem with them.

Had you read them at the time, you'd also be keenly aware of my disbelief that you and other conservatives were not taking any of it seriously, deciding to completely focus instead on how much of a shithead Edward Snowden was.

So I'm sorry, it's hard for me not to roll my eyes over the Carlson stuff. None of this shit is new. If it's new to you then you haven't been paying nearly enough attention.

Again, you're just miffed because no one paid attention to your lone howl in the wilderness. Well, as of right now, that and a dollar bill will buy a small cup of at MickeyD's.

In the here and now, what is your position?

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

We're not talking a one-off or sudden disclosure of classified information. We're talking about something that has been proven to happen multiple times. We're talking about a series of events. We're talking normalization of criminal behavior by your government.

I've literally heard this all before, man. All of it. Tucker's complaints amount to about a sliver of what the Snowden documents revealed in terms of what the government already considers commonplace practice.

Respectfully, I think the story is "this affects all of us, I'm beyond the politics" because it's Tucker Carlson. If it were Ta-Nehisi Coates I really don't believe your perspective would be the same.

Then I assume you condone such actions?

If you had read any of my posts when the Snowden documents became public, which you didn't, you'd know I have a serious problem with them.

Had you read them at the time, you'd also be keenly aware of my disbelief that you and other conservatives were not taking any of it seriously, deciding to completely focus instead on how much of a shithead Edward Snowden was.

So I'm sorry, it's hard for me not to roll my eyes over the Carlson stuff. None of this shit is new. If it's new to you then you haven't been paying nearly enough attention.

Again, you're just miffed because no one paid attention to your lone howl in the wilderness. Well, as of right now, that and a dollar bill will buy a small cup of at MickeyD's.

In the here and now, what is your position?

I agreed with him at the time, and made the exact point that it doesn't matter what kind of person Snowden is.

Now, you're complaining about us being, and I quote, 'partisan dim-witted bastards'.

Your lack of self-awareness is hilarious.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

We're not talking a one-off or sudden disclosure of classified information. We're talking about something that has been proven to happen multiple times. We're talking about a series of events. We're talking normalization of criminal behavior by your government.

I've literally heard this all before, man. All of it. Tucker's complaints amount to about a sliver of what the Snowden documents revealed in terms of what the government already considers commonplace practice.

Respectfully, I think the story is "this affects all of us, I'm beyond the politics" because it's Tucker Carlson. If it were Ta-Nehisi Coates I really don't believe your perspective would be the same.

Then I assume you condone such actions?

If you had read any of my posts when the Snowden documents became public, which you didn't, you'd know I have a serious problem with them.

Had you read them at the time, you'd also be keenly aware of my disbelief that you and other conservatives were not taking any of it seriously, deciding to completely focus instead on how much of a shithead Edward Snowden was.

So I'm sorry, it's hard for me not to roll my eyes over the Carlson stuff. None of this shit is new. If it's new to you then you haven't been paying nearly enough attention.

Again, you're just miffed because no one paid attention to your lone howl in the wilderness. Well, as of right now, that and a dollar bill will buy a small cup of at MickeyD's.

In the here and now, what is your position?

I agreed with him at the time, and made the exact point that it doesn't matter what kind of person Snowden is.

Now, you're complaining about us being, and I quote, 'partisan dim-witted bastards'.

Your lack of self-awareness is hilarious.

And your mere existence is hilarious.

Next...

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in Spying?:

@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

We're not talking a one-off or sudden disclosure of classified information. We're talking about something that has been proven to happen multiple times. We're talking about a series of events. We're talking normalization of criminal behavior by your government.

I've literally heard this all before, man. All of it. Tucker's complaints amount to about a sliver of what the Snowden documents revealed in terms of what the government already considers commonplace practice.

Respectfully, I think the story is "this affects all of us, I'm beyond the politics" because it's Tucker Carlson. If it were Ta-Nehisi Coates I really don't believe your perspective would be the same.

Then I assume you condone such actions?

If you had read any of my posts when the Snowden documents became public, which you didn't, you'd know I have a serious problem with them.

Had you read them at the time, you'd also be keenly aware of my disbelief that you and other conservatives were not taking any of it seriously, deciding to completely focus instead on how much of a shithead Edward Snowden was.

So I'm sorry, it's hard for me not to roll my eyes over the Carlson stuff. None of this shit is new. If it's new to you then you haven't been paying nearly enough attention.

Again, you're just miffed because no one paid attention to your lone howl in the wilderness. Well, as of right now, that and a dollar bill will buy a small cup of at MickeyD's.

In the here and now, what is your position?

I agreed with him at the time, and made the exact point that it doesn't matter what kind of person Snowden is.

Now, you're complaining about us being, and I quote, 'partisan dim-witted bastards'.

Your lack of self-awareness is hilarious.

And your mere existence is hilarious.

Next...

Oh yeah, you really nailed me with that comeback.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

@aqua-letifer said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

We're not talking a one-off or sudden disclosure of classified information. We're talking about something that has been proven to happen multiple times. We're talking about a series of events. We're talking normalization of criminal behavior by your government.

I've literally heard this all before, man. All of it. Tucker's complaints amount to about a sliver of what the Snowden documents revealed in terms of what the government already considers commonplace practice.

Respectfully, I think the story is "this affects all of us, I'm beyond the politics" because it's Tucker Carlson. If it were Ta-Nehisi Coates I really don't believe your perspective would be the same.

Then I assume you condone such actions?

If you had read any of my posts when the Snowden documents became public, which you didn't, you'd know I have a serious problem with them.

Had you read them at the time, you'd also be keenly aware of my disbelief that you and other conservatives were not taking any of it seriously, deciding to completely focus instead on how much of a shithead Edward Snowden was.

So I'm sorry, it's hard for me not to roll my eyes over the Carlson stuff. None of this shit is new. If it's new to you then you haven't been paying nearly enough attention.

Again, you're just miffed because no one paid attention to your lone howl in the wilderness. Well, as of right now, that and a dollar bill will buy a small cup of at MickeyD's.

In the here and now, what is your position?

Good luck dismantling the secret courts. Privacy died about 10 years ago. Which was an abomination but what can you do.

[Loki]

Is TuCa still talking about this or just us?

[Doctor Phibes]

Incidentally, Piers Morgan is not a US Citizen.

I'd like to volunteer his services to be spied on by the US Government, and hopefully he can receive a bonus follow-up waterboarding. All perfectly legal.

[Catseye3]

@jolly said in Spying?:

Don't get hung up on the politics.

Okay, who are you and what have you done with Jolly???

[Jolly]

@catseye3 said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

Don't get hung up on the politics.

Okay, who are you and what have you done with Jolly???

There are some things that are above politics. If we can't agree on this, piss on the campfire and call the dogs, it's over.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in Spying?:

There are some things that are above politics.

Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

There are some things that are above politics.

Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.

Sod off.

Truly and sincerely. It's a serious issue, and it deserves serious consideration.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in Spying?:

@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

@jolly said in Spying?:

There are some things that are above politics.

Conservative journalists getting spied on, for example.

Sod off.

Truly and sincerely. It's a serious issue, and it deserves serious consideration.

I completely agree. I thought it was a serious issue back when Snowden and that creepy Australian were the news story, too.

However, it's nothing new.

[Loki]

NSA denies it. Who has the next move?

[Jolly]

That's the non-denial George was referring to.

[Catseye3]

"Tucker Carlson has never been an intelligence target of this agency."

I swear, sometimes the jokes just write themselves.

[Doctor Phibes]