Once upon a virus
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 12:10 last edited by
That’s great. I love foreign propaganda. It gives insights as to how they interpret our culture.
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That’s great. I love foreign propaganda. It gives insights as to how they interpret our culture.
wrote on 3 May 2020, 12:11 last edited by@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
That’s great. I love foreign propaganda. It gives insights as to how they interpret our culture.
Yeah. Now let's see a cute animation showing how the Chinese response to this virus is substantially different from the Russian response to Chernobyl.
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 12:13 last edited by
Yeah they’re very selective about what they said and what they didn’t say.
And very selective about who they silenced.
I just wish their characterization of our response had less truth to it.
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 12:14 last edited by
I’m sure this will get answered though.
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Yeah they’re very selective about what they said and what they didn’t say.
And very selective about who they silenced.
I just wish their characterization of our response had less truth to it.
wrote on 3 May 2020, 12:19 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
Yeah they’re very selective about what they said and what they didn’t say.
And very selective about who they silenced.
I just wish their characterization of our response had less truth to it.
We were all here at the time. It’s not like the video provided me one revelation...in fact it left out stuff we knew. Smells more like Chinese interference in our elections for Biden.
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@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
Yeah they’re very selective about what they said and what they didn’t say.
And very selective about who they silenced.
I just wish their characterization of our response had less truth to it.
We were all here at the time. It’s not like the video provided me one revelation...in fact it left out stuff we knew. Smells more like Chinese interference in our elections for Biden.
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 12:26 last edited by jon-nyc 5 Mar 2020, 12:30
As propaganda aimed at world opinion and I suspect this piece will be particularly effective, not in exonerating the Chinese so much, people see through that, but in highlighting our overall incompetence in responding and the resultant blame shifting.
As you point out, it’s nothing that everyone doesn’t already know. But this is just making fun of it and will get shared around the world.
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 12:35 last edited by jon-nyc 5 Mar 2020, 12:36
Also it may point some things out that people hadn’t thought of in a while or not at all.
For example, plenty of right wing publications have minimized the virus while talking about Chinese hiding hundreds of thousands of deaths. It’s not clear they or their readers were cognizant of the dissonance there.
And I myself had forgotten about Trumps ‘gone in April’ comment. Any single one of his idiotic utterances so easily gets lost in the pile.
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 12:45 last edited by
Your last sentence is such a great way to summarize it. He says so many idiotic or incorrect things that we seem to give him credit when he does something halfway normal (that other presidents would’ve seen as headline blunders).
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As propaganda aimed at world opinion and I suspect this piece will be particularly effective, not in exonerating the Chinese so much, people see through that, but in highlighting our overall incompetence in responding and the resultant blame shifting.
As you point out, it’s nothing that everyone doesn’t already know. But this is just making fun of it and will get shared around the world.
wrote on 3 May 2020, 14:23 last edited by Loki 5 Mar 2020, 14:25You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
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You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
wrote on 3 May 2020, 14:28 last edited by@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,” -
@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”wrote on 3 May 2020, 14:30 last edited by@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”Yup. That’s what makes the narrative so full of shit when people refuse to acknowledge the full picture and try to thin slice it.
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 14:52 last edited by
It's an amateurish video for simpletons. If you think a little deeper it expresses how different it is to live in a country like America rather than authoritarian China. Despite their claimed mastery of the situation they are still the origin of a worldwide crisis that has killed how many now? They will not be able to avoid that bill coming due in terms of their world stature.
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It's an amateurish video for simpletons. If you think a little deeper it expresses how different it is to live in a country like America rather than authoritarian China. Despite their claimed mastery of the situation they are still the origin of a worldwide crisis that has killed how many now? They will not be able to avoid that bill coming due in terms of their world stature.
wrote on 3 May 2020, 14:54 last edited by@Mik said in Once upon a virus:
It's an amateurish video for simpletons. If you think a little deeper it expresses how different it is to live in a country like America rather than authoritarian China. Despite their claimed mastery of the situation they are still the origin of a worldwide crisis that has killed how many now? They will not be able to avoid that bill coming due in terms of their world stature.
Economically they're waning, too, a bit like Japan after the 90s. Will make calling them out easier.
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You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
wrote on 3 May 2020, 15:33 last edited by@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
WHADDABOUT PELOSI?!?
I have no problem whatsoever criticizing her, but please be aware your obvious smokescreen is obvious.
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 15:39 last edited by
Loki - serious question.
Why on earth would you think that Aqua, 89, or myself have anything invested in Nancy Pelosi of all people?
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@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
WHADDABOUT PELOSI?!?
I have no problem whatsoever criticizing her, but please be aware your obvious smokescreen is obvious.
wrote on 3 May 2020, 15:40 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
WHADDABOUT PELOSI?!?
I have no problem whatsoever criticizing her, but please be aware your obvious smokescreen is obvious.
Hardly. Your whatabout is a total smokescreen for pinning the blame on only one part of our government. Your dog doesn’t hunt.
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Loki - serious question.
Why on earth would you think that Aqua, 89, or myself have anything invested in Nancy Pelosi of all people?
wrote on 3 May 2020, 15:41 last edited by Loki 5 Mar 2020, 15:42@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
Loki - serious question.
Why on earth would you think that Aqua, 89, or myself have anything invested in Nancy Pelosi of all people?
She just represents where Democrats also were at that time. I could also fold in some of Fauci’s temporal comments.
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wrote on 3 May 2020, 15:44 last edited by
Except I didn’t whaddabout.
If you start a thread criticizing Nancy Pelosi, that’s not whatabboutism, that’s just criticizing Nancy Pelosi. (By the way, if you do that, I’m sure Aqua, 89th and I would happily join in!)
Whattaboutism is when someone attacks a person you feel required to defend, but can’t. So you seek to change the subject or neutralize the criticism.
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@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”wrote on 3 May 2020, 15:48 last edited by jon-nyc 5 Mar 2020, 15:49@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”I can say with utter certainty that I was the first to criticize DeBlasio (and Cuomo) over Covid and I can say with equal certainty that I have criticized DeBlasio on this forum more than anyone else over the years.
(I’m probably 2nd to Loki on Cuomo though, but in my defense I was critical of him when he deserved it, Loki is critical of him only when it serves to defend Trump)