Once upon a virus
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@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
Yeah they’re very selective about what they said and what they didn’t say.
And very selective about who they silenced.
I just wish their characterization of our response had less truth to it.
We were all here at the time. It’s not like the video provided me one revelation...in fact it left out stuff we knew. Smells more like Chinese interference in our elections for Biden.
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As propaganda aimed at world opinion and I suspect this piece will be particularly effective, not in exonerating the Chinese so much, people see through that, but in highlighting our overall incompetence in responding and the resultant blame shifting.
As you point out, it’s nothing that everyone doesn’t already know. But this is just making fun of it and will get shared around the world.
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Also it may point some things out that people hadn’t thought of in a while or not at all.
For example, plenty of right wing publications have minimized the virus while talking about Chinese hiding hundreds of thousands of deaths. It’s not clear they or their readers were cognizant of the dissonance there.
And I myself had forgotten about Trumps ‘gone in April’ comment. Any single one of his idiotic utterances so easily gets lost in the pile.
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As propaganda aimed at world opinion and I suspect this piece will be particularly effective, not in exonerating the Chinese so much, people see through that, but in highlighting our overall incompetence in responding and the resultant blame shifting.
As you point out, it’s nothing that everyone doesn’t already know. But this is just making fun of it and will get shared around the world.
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
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You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”Yup. That’s what makes the narrative so full of shit when people refuse to acknowledge the full picture and try to thin slice it.
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It's an amateurish video for simpletons. If you think a little deeper it expresses how different it is to live in a country like America rather than authoritarian China. Despite their claimed mastery of the situation they are still the origin of a worldwide crisis that has killed how many now? They will not be able to avoid that bill coming due in terms of their world stature.
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It's an amateurish video for simpletons. If you think a little deeper it expresses how different it is to live in a country like America rather than authoritarian China. Despite their claimed mastery of the situation they are still the origin of a worldwide crisis that has killed how many now? They will not be able to avoid that bill coming due in terms of their world stature.
@Mik said in Once upon a virus:
It's an amateurish video for simpletons. If you think a little deeper it expresses how different it is to live in a country like America rather than authoritarian China. Despite their claimed mastery of the situation they are still the origin of a worldwide crisis that has killed how many now? They will not be able to avoid that bill coming due in terms of their world stature.
Economically they're waning, too, a bit like Japan after the 90s. Will make calling them out easier.
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You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
WHADDABOUT PELOSI?!?
I have no problem whatsoever criticizing her, but please be aware your obvious smokescreen is obvious.
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@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
WHADDABOUT PELOSI?!?
I have no problem whatsoever criticizing her, but please be aware your obvious smokescreen is obvious.
@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
WHADDABOUT PELOSI?!?
I have no problem whatsoever criticizing her, but please be aware your obvious smokescreen is obvious.
Hardly. Your whatabout is a total smokescreen for pinning the blame on only one part of our government. Your dog doesn’t hunt.
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Loki - serious question.
Why on earth would you think that Aqua, 89, or myself have anything invested in Nancy Pelosi of all people?
@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
Loki - serious question.
Why on earth would you think that Aqua, 89, or myself have anything invested in Nancy Pelosi of all people?
She just represents where Democrats also were at that time. I could also fold in some of Fauci’s temporal comments.
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Except I didn’t whaddabout.
If you start a thread criticizing Nancy Pelosi, that’s not whatabboutism, that’s just criticizing Nancy Pelosi. (By the way, if you do that, I’m sure Aqua, 89th and I would happily join in!)
Whattaboutism is when someone attacks a person you feel required to defend, but can’t. So you seek to change the subject or neutralize the criticism.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@Loki said in Once upon a virus:
You just keep forgetting about Pelosi and Chinatown don’t you. It’s such a great marker for what everyone thought at the time. Such an inconvenient truth isn’t it?
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”I can say with utter certainty that I was the first to criticize DeBlasio (and Cuomo) over Covid and I can say with equal certainty that I have criticized DeBlasio on this forum more than anyone else over the years.
(I’m probably 2nd to Loki on Cuomo though, but in my defense I was critical of him when he deserved it, Loki is critical of him only when it serves to defend Trump)
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@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”I can say with utter certainty that I was the first to criticize DeBlasio (and Cuomo) over Covid and I can say with equal certainty that I have criticized DeBlasio on this forum more than anyone else over the years.
(I’m probably 2nd to Loki on Cuomo though, but in my defense I was critical of him when he deserved it, Loki is critical of him only when it serves to defend Trump)
@jon-nyc said in Once upon a virus:
@George-K said in Once upon a virus:
de Blasio, on March 10: "If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here,”
de Blasio, on March 2: “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,”I can say with utter certainty that I was the first to criticize DeBlasio (and Cuomo) over Covid and I can say with equal certainty that I have criticized DeBlasio on this forum more than anyone else over the years.
(I’m probably 2nd to Loki on Cuomo though, but in my defense I was critical of him when he deserved it, Loki is critical of him only when it serves to defend Trump)
I don’t really defend Trump except to extent that I see the attack of the week on Trump for three and a half years. It’s like putting whatever fodder you have in your cannon. The latest is that Trump is at fault for our Covid response when the timeline shows East and west and democrat and republican were largely acting the same way.
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Except I didn’t whaddabout.
If you start a thread criticizing Nancy Pelosi, that’s not whatabboutism, that’s just criticizing Nancy Pelosi. (By the way, if you do that, I’m sure Aqua, 89th and I would happily join in!)
Whattaboutism is when someone attacks a person you feel required to defend, but can’t. So you seek to change the subject or neutralize the criticism.
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I look forward to seeing which country the vaccine will ultimately come from, and whether the cultural values of that country played a large role in developing the economic and academic infrastructure which allowed for the invention of the vaccine.
I also look forward to comparing America's numbers at the end of this thing to every other country which presumably does not suffer from the cultural attitudes inadequate to deal with this virus.
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I look forward to seeing which country the vaccine will ultimately come from, and whether the cultural values of that country played a large role in developing the economic and academic infrastructure which allowed for the invention of the vaccine.
I also look forward to comparing America's numbers at the end of this thing to every other country which presumably does not suffer from the cultural attitudes inadequate to deal with this virus.
While some people are busy adjudicating who did what in January and February purely for political reasons others are thinking about how to restart a dead economy and avoid total eceonomic catastrophe for hundreds of millions. If that is whataboutism so be it.
