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  • J Jolly
    29 Apr 2021, 11:59

    @george-k said in SOTU:

    @lufins-dad said in SOTU:

    the accomplishments he pointed too

    Yeah, says the guy who got vaccinated before he was sworn in because of policies put in place by that other guy.

    400,000,000.

    At one time, people said a COVID vaccine could not be made in a year. Under the leadership of President Trump, we made three. And bought 400,000,000 doses.

    To be honest, we are still making vaccine to achieve that number, but the makers are using Trump money to do it. Mr. Biden is just riding the wave.

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    89th
    wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 12:04 last edited by
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    @jolly said in SOTU:

    Under the leadership of President Trump, we made three. And bought 400,000,000 doses.

    Didn’t Pfizer do it without government help because it was faster? Didn’t the government fumble the order of vaccines resulting in thousands of unnecessary deaths? Didn’t Trump deny the seriousness of the disease for like half a year?

    Let’s give credit where credit is due, which also means let’s not give credit where credit is not due.

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    • 8 89th
      29 Apr 2021, 12:04

      @jolly said in SOTU:

      Under the leadership of President Trump, we made three. And bought 400,000,000 doses.

      Didn’t Pfizer do it without government help because it was faster? Didn’t the government fumble the order of vaccines resulting in thousands of unnecessary deaths? Didn’t Trump deny the seriousness of the disease for like half a year?

      Let’s give credit where credit is due, which also means let’s not give credit where credit is not due.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 12:10 last edited by Jolly
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      @89th said in SOTU:

      @jolly said in SOTU:

      Under the leadership of President Trump, we made three. And bought 400,000,000 doses.

      Didn’t Pfizer do it without government help because it was faster? Didn’t the government fumble the order of vaccines resulting in thousands of unnecessary deaths? Didn’t Trump deny the seriousness of the disease for like half a year?

      Let’s give credit where credit is due, which also means let’s not give credit where credit is not due.

      Have you ever worked with the FDA on a clinical pharmaceutical trial or done the work necessary to approve a new test or testing platform?

      If not, you don't have a clue on what mountains were moved to accomplish this, regardless of money. Although we certainly did spend the money.

      You're like the guy who's worried about the paint on the third stripe of the landing strip, while the pilot is trying to land the airplane with an engine on fire.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • 8 89th
        29 Apr 2021, 12:04

        @jolly said in SOTU:

        Under the leadership of President Trump, we made three. And bought 400,000,000 doses.

        Didn’t Pfizer do it without government help because it was faster? Didn’t the government fumble the order of vaccines resulting in thousands of unnecessary deaths? Didn’t Trump deny the seriousness of the disease for like half a year?

        Let’s give credit where credit is due, which also means let’s not give credit where credit is not due.

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 12:14 last edited by
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        @89th said in SOTU:

        @jolly said in SOTU:

        Under the leadership of President Trump, we made three. And bought 400,000,000 doses.

        Didn’t Pfizer do it without government help because it was faster? Didn’t the government fumble the order of vaccines resulting in thousands of unnecessary deaths? Didn’t Trump deny the seriousness of the disease for like half a year?

        Let’s give credit where credit is due, which also means let’s not give credit where credit is not due.

        1. Warpspeed wasn’t simply money. Pfizer still benefited.

        2. Yes, many STATE governments did screw it up. We don’t really know the cost of their mistakes.

        3. You have your mind made up on that matter so it’s not really worth debating.

        The Brad

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          89th
          wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 12:42 last edited by
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          It’s amazing how folks bend over backwards to give Trump credit while ignoring all the blunders, something I’d doubt would happen if Obama or Biden were in office.

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          • 8 89th
            29 Apr 2021, 12:42

            It’s amazing how folks bend over backwards to give Trump credit while ignoring all the blunders, something I’d doubt would happen if Obama or Biden were in office.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 12:45 last edited by
            #20

            @89th said in SOTU:

            It’s amazing how folks bend over backwards to give Trump credit while ignoring all the blunders, something I’d doubt would happen if Obama or Biden were in office.

            It's amazing how some people hate Trump so much, they wish to give him credit for nothing.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              89th
              wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 12:45 last edited by
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              I’ve said many times that Trump did many great things while in office. I’ve also said his handling of the covid response and his politically unforgivable refusal to accept election results will be his legacy. I try to keep my opinions of the accomplishments and blunders in 2020 pretty apolitical, but I doubt you’ll believe that.

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              • J Jolly
                29 Apr 2021, 12:45

                @89th said in SOTU:

                It’s amazing how folks bend over backwards to give Trump credit while ignoring all the blunders, something I’d doubt would happen if Obama or Biden were in office.

                It's amazing how some people hate Trump so much, they wish to give him credit for nothing.

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                89th
                wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 12:45 last edited by
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                @jolly said in SOTU:

                @89th said in SOTU:

                It’s amazing how folks bend over backwards to give Trump credit while ignoring all the blunders, something I’d doubt would happen if Obama or Biden were in office.

                It's amazing how some people hate Trump so much, they wish to give him credit for nothing.

                LOL, see above post.

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                • 8 89th
                  29 Apr 2021, 12:45

                  I’ve said many times that Trump did many great things while in office. I’ve also said his handling of the covid response and his politically unforgivable refusal to accept election results will be his legacy. I try to keep my opinions of the accomplishments and blunders in 2020 pretty apolitical, but I doubt you’ll believe that.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 12:46 last edited by
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                  @89th said in SOTU:

                  I’ve said many times that Trump did many great things while in office. I’ve also said his handling of the covid response and his politically unforgivable refusal to accept election results will be his legacy. I try to keep my opinions of the accomplishments and blunders in 2020 pretty apolitical, but I doubt you’ll believe that.

                  Don't doubt.

                  As evidenced by your actions, I don't believe you at all. Not on your Trump opinions.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 14:20 last edited by Mik
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                    Biden's taking credit for what was done by the prior administration was predictably slimy.

                    But the real vacuousness of his positions, however nice they might sound, can be found in his claim that preschool, not daycare, is the single largest predictor of a child's educational success. The fallacy there is it does not take into account that folks who put their kids in preschool prioritize their education. Again, it's the home and parents that make the difference, not just the child attending. If it is free they will take it but it won't make failing districts succeed.

                    Most of his proposed programs are like that. The 'American Jobs' act will produce blue collar jobs. Swell. Who is going to fill those jobs and what do we do with this new generation of blue collar workers as automation continues to make their jobs unnecessary? Roofers today have to hire illegals because Americans won't do that work for the most part. Besides that convenience stores around here are having to shut down at night because he extended unemployment subsidies to September and no one in their right mind would work for essentially nothing.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Copper
                      wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 16:25 last edited by
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                      Gloria Borger is the one who had the job of giggling and rolling her eyes every time anyone said Sarah Palin.

                      She was really good at it.

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                      • M Mik
                        29 Apr 2021, 14:20

                        Biden's taking credit for what was done by the prior administration was predictably slimy.

                        But the real vacuousness of his positions, however nice they might sound, can be found in his claim that preschool, not daycare, is the single largest predictor of a child's educational success. The fallacy there is it does not take into account that folks who put their kids in preschool prioritize their education. Again, it's the home and parents that make the difference, not just the child attending. If it is free they will take it but it won't make failing districts succeed.

                        Most of his proposed programs are like that. The 'American Jobs' act will produce blue collar jobs. Swell. Who is going to fill those jobs and what do we do with this new generation of blue collar workers as automation continues to make their jobs unnecessary? Roofers today have to hire illegals because Americans won't do that work for the most part. Besides that convenience stores around here are having to shut down at night because he extended unemployment subsidies to September and no one in their right mind would work for essentially nothing.

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 18:36 last edited by
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                        @mik said in SOTU:

                        Biden's taking credit for what was done by the prior administration was predictably slimy.

                        But the real vacuousness of his positions, however nice they might sound, can be found in his claim that preschool, not daycare, is the single largest predictor of a child's educational success. The fallacy there is it does not take into account that folks who put their kids in preschool prioritize their education. Again, it's the home and parents that make the difference, not just the child attending. If it is free they will take it but it won't make failing districts succeed.

                        Just look at the Head Start program...

                        The Brad

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                        • M Mik
                          29 Apr 2021, 14:20

                          Biden's taking credit for what was done by the prior administration was predictably slimy.

                          But the real vacuousness of his positions, however nice they might sound, can be found in his claim that preschool, not daycare, is the single largest predictor of a child's educational success. The fallacy there is it does not take into account that folks who put their kids in preschool prioritize their education. Again, it's the home and parents that make the difference, not just the child attending. If it is free they will take it but it won't make failing districts succeed.

                          Most of his proposed programs are like that. The 'American Jobs' act will produce blue collar jobs. Swell. Who is going to fill those jobs and what do we do with this new generation of blue collar workers as automation continues to make their jobs unnecessary? Roofers today have to hire illegals because Americans won't do that work for the most part. Besides that convenience stores around here are having to shut down at night because he extended unemployment subsidies to September and no one in their right mind would work for essentially nothing.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 18:38 last edited by
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                          @mik said in SOTU:

                          Biden's taking credit for what was done by the prior administration was predictably slimy.

                          But the real vacuousness of his positions, however nice they might sound, can be found in his claim that preschool, not daycare, is the single largest predictor of a child's educational success. The fallacy there is it does not take into account that folks who put their kids in preschool prioritize their education. Again, it's the home and parents that make the difference, not just the child attending. If it is free they will take it but it won't make failing districts succeed.

                          Most of his proposed programs are like that. The 'American Jobs' act will produce blue collar jobs. Swell. Who is going to fill those jobs and what do we do with this new generation of blue collar workers as automation continues to make their jobs unnecessary? Roofers today have to hire illegals because Americans won't do that work for the most part. Besides that convenience stores around here are having to shut down at night because he extended unemployment subsidies to September and no one in their right mind would work for essentially nothing.

                          American won't do that kind of work, because in many places unemployment benefits are figuring out to $17/hr.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Axtremus
                            wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 18:48 last edited by
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                            Cruz snooze ...

                            Link to video

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                              29 Apr 2021, 18:48

                              Cruz snooze ...

                              Link to video

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                              George K
                              wrote on 29 Apr 2021, 18:53 last edited by
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                              @axtremus said in SOTU:

                              Cruz snooze ...

                              Can't blame him. I fell asleep too.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Axtremus
                                wrote on 30 Apr 2021, 11:10 last edited by
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                                @Jolly, have you watched Biden’s speech yet?
                                Found any evidence of senility or mental decline?

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                                  Axtremus
                                  wrote on 30 Apr 2021, 11:40 last edited by
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                                  Biden’s speech:

                                  Link to video

                                  GOP rebuttal by Sen. Tim Scott:

                                  Link to video

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                                    30 Apr 2021, 11:10

                                    @Jolly, have you watched Biden’s speech yet?
                                    Found any evidence of senility or mental decline?

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 30 Apr 2021, 12:09 last edited by
                                    #32

                                    @axtremus said in SOTU:

                                    @Jolly, have you watched Biden’s speech yet?
                                    Found any evidence of senility or mental decline?

                                    Practice and pills can do wonders.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Axtremus
                                      wrote on 30 Apr 2021, 12:39 last edited by
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                                      @jolly said in SOTU:

                                      @axtremus said in SOTU:

                                      @Jolly, have you watched Biden’s speech yet?
                                      Found any evidence of senility or mental decline?

                                      Practice and pills can do wonders.

                                      I guess he passed the Turing test on mental acuity. 😄

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                                      • A Axtremus
                                        30 Apr 2021, 12:39

                                        @jolly said in SOTU:

                                        @axtremus said in SOTU:

                                        @Jolly, have you watched Biden’s speech yet?
                                        Found any evidence of senility or mental decline?

                                        Practice and pills can do wonders.

                                        I guess he passed the Turing test on mental acuity. 😄

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 30 Apr 2021, 20:54 last edited by
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                                        @axtremus said in SOTU:

                                        I guess he passed the Turing test on mental acuity.

                                        On Wednesday.

                                        Today, not so much:

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • G George K
                                          29 Apr 2021, 11:09

                                          "The worst attack on our democracy in history."

                                          Tell that to the sailors at Pearl Harbor or the guys at FDNY about 20 years ago.

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on 30 Apr 2021, 21:19 last edited by
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                                          @george-k said in SOTU:

                                          "The worst attack on our democracy in history."

                                          Tell that to the sailors at Pearl Harbor or the guys at FDNY about 20 years ago.

                                          1. We’re not a Democracy.

                                          2. Barry Hussein Obama’s good friend planted and detonated a fvcking bomb in the Capitol. That is a worse assault on our system of government.

                                          3. Republican Congressmen and staffers were shot by a Bernie Bro with Scalise nearly being killed. That was a worse assault on our government.

                                          Some guys flew a plane into the Pentagon and tried to fly another into the White House or the Capitol. That was a worse assault on our system of government.

                                          President Biden is showing some very concerning memory lapses...

                                          The Brad

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