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No more fact-checking.

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  • 89th8 Offline
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    89th
    wrote on last edited by
    #6

    First 100 days:

    Biden: 67 false claims
    Trump: 511 false claims

    Oh and Trump’s last 100 days?

    8,859 false claims.

    Woof that is exhausting.

    LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
    • KincaidK Kincaid

      @axtremus said in No more fact-checking.:

      If you think WaPo did a lousy job with their previous fact-checking database, then you should be happy that the WaPo stopped doing it altogether.

      No, I wish we had real fact checkers that would check real facts. Snopes is only good for urban myths. Every fact checker I know of regarding politics or culture sucks.

      Aqua LetiferA Offline
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      Aqua Letifer
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      #7

      @kincaid said in No more fact-checking.:

      No, I wish we had real fact checkers that would check real facts.

      The snarky answer I could give would be that well, you actually don't, though. 😁

      But I think it's more accurate to say that Sir Tim Berners Lee unwittingly ruined it for the lot of us. We used to think nothing of $50, $100 or even $150 magazine subscriptions, but the internet is so ridiculously free that we scoff at paying $0.50 for one freaking article.

      Blogs are free. Social media's also free. That can happen because digital media distribution costs basically nothing, and so the content can be created entirely by some dude pontificating in his living room. Sure, news agencies used to have researchers, fact checkers, editors, proofreaders, photographers and entire legal teams. But they can't compete with free content, so everyone got laid off. First the ax came for proofers and fact-checkers, but today, a ton of "journalists" don't even do what they do full-time because those jobs don't exist anymore, they get paid per piece and it's not nearly enough to make a living.

      The more we care about quality reporting, the better quality reporting we're going to get. Right now we're at the point where we'll bitch about it, but still not fork over that $0.50. It might get better over time but it's going to take a long while.

      Please love yourself.

      KincaidK 1 Reply Last reply
      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

        @kincaid said in No more fact-checking.:

        No, I wish we had real fact checkers that would check real facts.

        The snarky answer I could give would be that well, you actually don't, though. 😁

        But I think it's more accurate to say that Sir Tim Berners Lee unwittingly ruined it for the lot of us. We used to think nothing of $50, $100 or even $150 magazine subscriptions, but the internet is so ridiculously free that we scoff at paying $0.50 for one freaking article.

        Blogs are free. Social media's also free. That can happen because digital media distribution costs basically nothing, and so the content can be created entirely by some dude pontificating in his living room. Sure, news agencies used to have researchers, fact checkers, editors, proofreaders, photographers and entire legal teams. But they can't compete with free content, so everyone got laid off. First the ax came for proofers and fact-checkers, but today, a ton of "journalists" don't even do what they do full-time because those jobs don't exist anymore, they get paid per piece and it's not nearly enough to make a living.

        The more we care about quality reporting, the better quality reporting we're going to get. Right now we're at the point where we'll bitch about it, but still not fork over that $0.50. It might get better over time but it's going to take a long while.

        KincaidK Offline
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        Kincaid
        wrote on last edited by
        #8

        @aqua-letifer

        Well, if my local paper hadn't become a liberal rag I might still have a subscription lol.

        Aqua LetiferA MikM 2 Replies Last reply
        • 89th8 89th

          First 100 days:

          Biden: 67 false claims
          Trump: 511 false claims

          Oh and Trump’s last 100 days?

          8,859 false claims.

          Woof that is exhausting.

          LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on last edited by
          #9

          @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

          First 100 days:

          Biden: 67 false claims
          Trump: 511 false claims

          Oh and Trump’s last 100 days?

          8,859 false claims.

          Woof that is exhausting.

          You realize that most of those were actually 1 or 2 debatable claims that he repeated and stood by?

          The Brad

          JollyJ 89th8 2 Replies Last reply
          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

            First 100 days:

            Biden: 67 false claims
            Trump: 511 false claims

            Oh and Trump’s last 100 days?

            8,859 false claims.

            Woof that is exhausting.

            You realize that most of those were actually 1 or 2 debatable claims that he repeated and stood by?

            JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #10

            @lufins-dad said in No more fact-checking.:

            @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

            First 100 days:

            Biden: 67 false claims
            Trump: 511 false claims

            Oh and Trump’s last 100 days?

            8,859 false claims.

            Woof that is exhausting.

            You realize that most of those were actually 1 or 2 debatable claims that he repeated and stood by?

            89th doesn't care.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

              First 100 days:

              Biden: 67 false claims
              Trump: 511 false claims

              Oh and Trump’s last 100 days?

              8,859 false claims.

              Woof that is exhausting.

              You realize that most of those were actually 1 or 2 debatable claims that he repeated and stood by?

              89th8 Offline
              89th8 Offline
              89th
              wrote on last edited by
              #11

              @lufins-dad said in No more fact-checking.:

              @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

              First 100 days:

              Biden: 67 false claims
              Trump: 511 false claims

              Oh and Trump’s last 100 days?

              8,859 false claims.

              Woof that is exhausting.

              You realize that most of those were actually 1 or 2 debatable claims that he repeated and stood by?

              “If you repeat a lie enough, people will start to believe it.” And we saw the result.

              JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
              • 89th8 89th

                @lufins-dad said in No more fact-checking.:

                @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

                First 100 days:

                Biden: 67 false claims
                Trump: 511 false claims

                Oh and Trump’s last 100 days?

                8,859 false claims.

                Woof that is exhausting.

                You realize that most of those were actually 1 or 2 debatable claims that he repeated and stood by?

                “If you repeat a lie enough, people will start to believe it.” And we saw the result.

                JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
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                #12

                @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

                @lufins-dad said in No more fact-checking.:

                @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

                First 100 days:

                Biden: 67 false claims
                Trump: 511 false claims

                Oh and Trump’s last 100 days?

                8,859 false claims.

                Woof that is exhausting.

                You realize that most of those were actually 1 or 2 debatable claims that he repeated and stood by?

                “If you repeat a lie enough, people will start to believe it.” And we saw the result.

                89th doesn't care.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • 89th8 Offline
                  89th8 Offline
                  89th
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #13

                  I care about honesty. I think it’s important to be able to trust government leadership. Or at least, have some confidence that what they’re saying is true.

                  JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                  • 89th8 89th

                    I care about honesty. I think it’s important to be able to trust government leadership. Or at least, have some confidence that what they’re saying is true.

                    JollyJ Offline
                    JollyJ Offline
                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #14

                    @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

                    I care about honesty. I think it’s important to be able to trust government leadership. Or at least, have some confidence that what they’re saying is true.

                    Then you should have loved Donald J. Trump.

                    Very few presidents have gone out and actually tried to do what they said they would do.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • 89th8 Offline
                      89th8 Offline
                      89th
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #15

                      I loved his unfiltered candor. I didn’t love the constant flow of lies or false claims. “Many people have told me...” or “I’ve heard...” or “believe me”. I actually think he’s done that for so many years he doesn’t even realize when he’s making shit up. Almost one of those “I will make my own reality” similar to Steve Jobs’ use of a reality distortion field (RDF) to convince others around him of things.

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                        George K
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                        #16

                        Andy McCarthy enumerates Biden's lies from last night: https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/bidens-dishonest-sales-pitch/

                        1. He insinuated that the ten-year ban on assault weapons had reduced the murder rate in the U.S. — something neither careful studies nor a casual look at the trends supports.
                        2. He pretended that the Trump administration had ended successful efforts to control migration across our southern border, a brazen inversion of the truth.
                        3. He claimed that the country supports federal legislation that would, among other things, ban states from verifying voters are who they say they are.
                        4. He promised that Medicare could save hundreds of billions of dollars by cracking down on drugmakers. Not according to the Congressional Budget Office, it can’t.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • KincaidK Kincaid

                          @aqua-letifer

                          Well, if my local paper hadn't become a liberal rag I might still have a subscription lol.

                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
                          Aqua Letifer
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                          #17

                          @kincaid said in No more fact-checking.:

                          @aqua-letifer

                          Well, if my local paper hadn't become a liberal rag I might still have a subscription lol.

                          They're a liberal rag because that's a very effective way to win the attention game.

                          Please love yourself.

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

                            I care about honesty. I think it’s important to be able to trust government leadership. Or at least, have some confidence that what they’re saying is true.

                            Then you should have loved Donald J. Trump.

                            Very few presidents have gone out and actually tried to do what they said they would do.

                            Aqua LetiferA Offline
                            Aqua LetiferA Offline
                            Aqua Letifer
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                            @jolly said in No more fact-checking.:

                            @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

                            I care about honesty. I think it’s important to be able to trust government leadership. Or at least, have some confidence that what they’re saying is true.

                            Then you should have loved Donald J. Trump.

                            Very few presidents have gone out and actually tried to do what they said they would do.

                            Dude give it up. 😄 I can count on one hand the number of people I've ever heard of who thinks that Donald Trump is about honesty and integrity.

                            I'm not saying you have to change your opinion of Trump or anything, but virtually no one's going to pick up what you're trying to throw down about him. He's a liar.

                            Please love yourself.

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                            • KincaidK Kincaid

                              @aqua-letifer

                              Well, if my local paper hadn't become a liberal rag I might still have a subscription lol.

                              MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by Mik
                              #19

                              @kincaid said in No more fact-checking.:

                              @aqua-letifer

                              Well, if my local paper hadn't become a liberal rag I might still have a subscription lol.

                              Gannet? Same happened in Cincinnati. A once fine newspaper has been reduced to USA Today lite.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                @kincaid said in No more fact-checking.:

                                @aqua-letifer

                                Well, if my local paper hadn't become a liberal rag I might still have a subscription lol.

                                Gannet? Same happened in Cincinnati. A once fine newspaper has been reduced to USA Today lite.

                                Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                Aqua Letifer
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                                #20

                                @mik said in No more fact-checking.:

                                @kincaid said in No more fact-checking.:

                                @aqua-letifer

                                Well, if my local paper hadn't become a liberal rag I might still have a subscription lol.

                                Gannet? Same happened in Cincinnati. A once fine newspaper has been reduced to USA Today lite.

                                Technology changes 👉 money dried up 👉 whatever you call this current crap.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                • MikM Offline
                                  MikM Offline
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by Mik
                                  #21

                                  Oh, no doubt. We are in a sea change in media. Impossible to make money without pandering.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                    @jolly said in No more fact-checking.:

                                    @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

                                    I care about honesty. I think it’s important to be able to trust government leadership. Or at least, have some confidence that what they’re saying is true.

                                    Then you should have loved Donald J. Trump.

                                    Very few presidents have gone out and actually tried to do what they said they would do.

                                    Dude give it up. 😄 I can count on one hand the number of people I've ever heard of who thinks that Donald Trump is about honesty and integrity.

                                    I'm not saying you have to change your opinion of Trump or anything, but virtually no one's going to pick up what you're trying to throw down about him. He's a liar.

                                    JollyJ Offline
                                    JollyJ Offline
                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #22

                                    @aqua-letifer said in No more fact-checking.:

                                    @jolly said in No more fact-checking.:

                                    @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

                                    I care about honesty. I think it’s important to be able to trust government leadership. Or at least, have some confidence that what they’re saying is true.

                                    Then you should have loved Donald J. Trump.

                                    Very few presidents have gone out and actually tried to do what they said they would do.

                                    Dude give it up. 😄 I can count on one hand the number of people I've ever heard of who thinks that Donald Trump is about honesty and integrity.

                                    I'm not saying you have to change your opinion of Trump or anything, but virtually no one's going to pick up what you're trying to throw down about him. He's a liar.

                                    Son, I'm still pissed about the Civil War.

                                    Link to video

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @aqua-letifer said in No more fact-checking.:

                                      @jolly said in No more fact-checking.:

                                      @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

                                      I care about honesty. I think it’s important to be able to trust government leadership. Or at least, have some confidence that what they’re saying is true.

                                      Then you should have loved Donald J. Trump.

                                      Very few presidents have gone out and actually tried to do what they said they would do.

                                      Dude give it up. 😄 I can count on one hand the number of people I've ever heard of who thinks that Donald Trump is about honesty and integrity.

                                      I'm not saying you have to change your opinion of Trump or anything, but virtually no one's going to pick up what you're trying to throw down about him. He's a liar.

                                      Son, I'm still pissed about the Civil War.

                                      Link to video

                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                      Aqua Letifer
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                                      #23

                                      @jolly said in No more fact-checking.:

                                      @aqua-letifer said in No more fact-checking.:

                                      @jolly said in No more fact-checking.:

                                      @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

                                      I care about honesty. I think it’s important to be able to trust government leadership. Or at least, have some confidence that what they’re saying is true.

                                      Then you should have loved Donald J. Trump.

                                      Very few presidents have gone out and actually tried to do what they said they would do.

                                      Dude give it up. 😄 I can count on one hand the number of people I've ever heard of who thinks that Donald Trump is about honesty and integrity.

                                      I'm not saying you have to change your opinion of Trump or anything, but virtually no one's going to pick up what you're trying to throw down about him. He's a liar.

                                      Son, I'm still pissed about the Civil War.

                                      Link to video

                                      😆 Ironically that is the one point in which we are definitely in accord!

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • MikM Offline
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #24

                                        Such a great movie.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                          @jolly said in No more fact-checking.:

                                          @89th said in No more fact-checking.:

                                          I care about honesty. I think it’s important to be able to trust government leadership. Or at least, have some confidence that what they’re saying is true.

                                          Then you should have loved Donald J. Trump.

                                          Very few presidents have gone out and actually tried to do what they said they would do.

                                          Dude give it up. 😄 I can count on one hand the number of people I've ever heard of who thinks that Donald Trump is about honesty and integrity.

                                          I'm not saying you have to change your opinion of Trump or anything, but virtually no one's going to pick up what you're trying to throw down about him. He's a liar.

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                                          Copper
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #25

                                          @aqua-letifer said in No more fact-checking.:

                                          I can count on one hand the number of people I've ever heard of who thinks that Donald Trump is about honesty and integrity.

                                          Maybe not integrity, but certainly honesty, I'm sure everyone agrees on that.

                                          He tried to do what he said he would do. There is no question.

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