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Some numbers from Sweden

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    Horace
    wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 18:37 last edited by Horace
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    I gather that they think it's ok as long as the health care system is not overwhelmed. That strict quarantines do not eradicate the virus but only delay the infections, and the infections will have to be dealt with in any case, assuming no vaccine is forthcoming in the next several months.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • B bachophile
      28 Apr 2020, 18:19

      I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.

      Am I missing something?

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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 18:39 last edited by
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      @bachophile said in Some numbers from Sweden:

      I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.

      Am I missing something?

      You could be missing the fact that it's possible that at the end of all this, they'll have the same number of deaths, concentrated into a shorter time period. It's all a bit theoretical for my liking.

      Presumably, their economy isn't in the hole to the same extent. And no, I'm not saying it's a good idea.

      I was only joking

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        Copper
        wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 21:40 last edited by
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        A number from Sweden

        Link to video

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          mark
          wrote on 24 May 2020, 22:57 last edited by
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          'The price you pay': Sweden's 'herd immunity' experiment backfires...

          https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php?fbclid=IwAR14hjI0eTlpZJBY8NhzJndQNgoJfoTOZw4DMDbwfbONvMALJozIutHVG3Q

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          • M mark
            24 May 2020, 22:57

            'The price you pay': Sweden's 'herd immunity' experiment backfires...

            https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php?fbclid=IwAR14hjI0eTlpZJBY8NhzJndQNgoJfoTOZw4DMDbwfbONvMALJozIutHVG3Q

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            George K
            wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:03 last edited by
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            @mark

            Screen Shot 2020-05-24 at 6.02.42 PM.png

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              mark
              wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:04 last edited by
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              Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

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                Horace
                wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:08 last edited by
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                I like how they got an epidemiologist to say "higher numbers of dead people are worse, see?". Thanks, epidemiologist! But actually as far as I'm aware Sweden was eyes wide open about that obvious aspect to their plan. It really doesn't matter what we as Americans think about it, I think it's clear that at least the swedes are not in open revolt to the plan. Which I respect.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • M mark
                  24 May 2020, 23:04

                  Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:26 last edited by
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                  @mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                  Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

                  Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                  • J jon-nyc
                    24 May 2020, 23:26

                    @mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                    Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

                    Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:48 last edited by
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                    @jon-nyc said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                    @mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                    Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

                    Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.

                    Screen Shot 2020-05-24 at 6.47.17 PM.png

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 25 May 2020, 09:53 last edited by
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                      Yeah. Here’s the latest graph with all the Nordic countries.

                      61B90906-A585-425B-B5F7-AA6634406849.jpeg

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • J jon-nyc
                        25 May 2020, 09:53

                        Yeah. Here’s the latest graph with all the Nordic countries.

                        61B90906-A585-425B-B5F7-AA6634406849.jpeg

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                        George K
                        wrote on 25 May 2020, 11:20 last edited by
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                        @jon-nyc, well, there you go.

                        I should be checking that site more often.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          mark
                          wrote on 25 May 2020, 15:38 last edited by
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                          Huh.

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 25 May 2020, 15:43 last edited by
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                            It's still not conclusive if, in order to maintain those numbers, you need to shut the country down.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Loki
                              wrote on 25 May 2020, 16:27 last edited by
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                              @Horace said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                              It's still not conclusive if, in order to maintain those numbers, you need to shut the country down.

                              Right. We can save lives if we do nothing. Literally shelter in place.

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                                89th
                                wrote on 26 May 2020, 02:42 last edited by
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                                @jon-nyc wow

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