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  • H Horace
    28 Apr 2020, 17:43

    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that link. It looks like someone from Sweden trying to keep the world from thinking that Sweden isn't taking the virus seriously. But it doesn't contradict the fact that Sweden has not implemented official measures as strict as its neighbors. That difference in official measures is not a myth.

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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 17:53 last edited by
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    @Horace said in Some numbers from Sweden:

    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that link. It looks like someone from Sweden trying to keep the world from thinking that Sweden isn't taking the virus seriously. But it doesn't contradict the fact that Sweden has not implemented official measures as strict as its neighbors. That difference in official measures is not a myth.

    I think that some people are under the impression that it's life as normal in Sweden, which is not the case. Yes, they're behaving differently from most other countries. To me, it looks like a very risky policy, but they could be proved right. It's also worth pointing out that there's a big difference in cultures from Sweden to, say, Florida, and so 'normality' is different.

    I was only joking

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      bachophile
      wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 18:19 last edited by
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      I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.

      Am I missing something?

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        Horace
        wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 18:37 last edited by Horace
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        I gather that they think it's ok as long as the health care system is not overwhelmed. That strict quarantines do not eradicate the virus but only delay the infections, and the infections will have to be dealt with in any case, assuming no vaccine is forthcoming in the next several months.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • B bachophile
          28 Apr 2020, 18:19

          I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.

          Am I missing something?

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 18:39 last edited by
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          @bachophile said in Some numbers from Sweden:

          I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.

          Am I missing something?

          You could be missing the fact that it's possible that at the end of all this, they'll have the same number of deaths, concentrated into a shorter time period. It's all a bit theoretical for my liking.

          Presumably, their economy isn't in the hole to the same extent. And no, I'm not saying it's a good idea.

          I was only joking

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            Copper
            wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 21:40 last edited by
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            A number from Sweden

            Link to video

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              mark
              wrote on 24 May 2020, 22:57 last edited by
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              'The price you pay': Sweden's 'herd immunity' experiment backfires...

              https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php?fbclid=IwAR14hjI0eTlpZJBY8NhzJndQNgoJfoTOZw4DMDbwfbONvMALJozIutHVG3Q

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              • M mark
                24 May 2020, 22:57

                'The price you pay': Sweden's 'herd immunity' experiment backfires...

                https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php?fbclid=IwAR14hjI0eTlpZJBY8NhzJndQNgoJfoTOZw4DMDbwfbONvMALJozIutHVG3Q

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                George K
                wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:03 last edited by
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                @mark

                Screen Shot 2020-05-24 at 6.02.42 PM.png

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  mark
                  wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:04 last edited by
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                  Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:08 last edited by
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                    I like how they got an epidemiologist to say "higher numbers of dead people are worse, see?". Thanks, epidemiologist! But actually as far as I'm aware Sweden was eyes wide open about that obvious aspect to their plan. It really doesn't matter what we as Americans think about it, I think it's clear that at least the swedes are not in open revolt to the plan. Which I respect.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • M mark
                      24 May 2020, 23:04

                      Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:26 last edited by
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                      @mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                      Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

                      Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc
                        24 May 2020, 23:26

                        @mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                        Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

                        Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:48 last edited by
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                        @jon-nyc said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                        @mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                        Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

                        Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.

                        Screen Shot 2020-05-24 at 6.47.17 PM.png

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 25 May 2020, 09:53 last edited by
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                          Yeah. Here’s the latest graph with all the Nordic countries.

                          61B90906-A585-425B-B5F7-AA6634406849.jpeg

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc
                            25 May 2020, 09:53

                            Yeah. Here’s the latest graph with all the Nordic countries.

                            61B90906-A585-425B-B5F7-AA6634406849.jpeg

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                            George K
                            wrote on 25 May 2020, 11:20 last edited by
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                            @jon-nyc, well, there you go.

                            I should be checking that site more often.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              mark
                              wrote on 25 May 2020, 15:38 last edited by
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                              Huh.

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                                Horace
                                wrote on 25 May 2020, 15:43 last edited by
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                                It's still not conclusive if, in order to maintain those numbers, you need to shut the country down.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  Loki
                                  wrote on 25 May 2020, 16:27 last edited by
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                                  @Horace said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                                  It's still not conclusive if, in order to maintain those numbers, you need to shut the country down.

                                  Right. We can save lives if we do nothing. Literally shelter in place.

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                                    89th
                                    wrote on 26 May 2020, 02:42 last edited by
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                                    @jon-nyc wow

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