Some numbers from Sweden

[Horace]

We need social shaming for not wearing a mask, and a feeling of normalcy for wearing one. I wonder if out-and-about Swedes are by and large wearing masks.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Horace said in Some numbers from Sweden:

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that link. It looks like someone from Sweden trying to keep the world from thinking that Sweden isn't taking the virus seriously. But it doesn't contradict the fact that Sweden has not implemented official measures as strict as its neighbors. That difference in official measures is not a myth.

I think that some people are under the impression that it's life as normal in Sweden, which is not the case. Yes, they're behaving differently from most other countries. To me, it looks like a very risky policy, but they could be proved right. It's also worth pointing out that there's a big difference in cultures from Sweden to, say, Florida, and so 'normality' is different.

[bachophile]

I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.

Am I missing something?

[Horace]

I gather that they think it's ok as long as the health care system is not overwhelmed. That strict quarantines do not eradicate the virus but only delay the infections, and the infections will have to be dealt with in any case, assuming no vaccine is forthcoming in the next several months.

[Doctor Phibes]

@bachophile said in Some numbers from Sweden:

I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.

Am I missing something?

You could be missing the fact that it's possible that at the end of all this, they'll have the same number of deaths, concentrated into a shorter time period. It's all a bit theoretical for my liking.

Presumably, their economy isn't in the hole to the same extent. And no, I'm not saying it's a good idea.

[Copper]

A number from Sweden

Link to video

[mark]

'The price you pay': Sweden's 'herd immunity' experiment backfires...

https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php?fbclid=IwAR14hjI0eTlpZJBY8NhzJndQNgoJfoTOZw4DMDbwfbONvMALJozIutHVG3Q

[George K]

@mark

[mark]

Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

[Horace]

I like how they got an epidemiologist to say "higher numbers of dead people are worse, see?". Thanks, epidemiologist! But actually as far as I'm aware Sweden was eyes wide open about that obvious aspect to their plan. It really doesn't matter what we as Americans think about it, I think it's clear that at least the swedes are not in open revolt to the plan. Which I respect.

[jon-nyc]

@mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:

Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in Some numbers from Sweden:

@mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:

Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.

[jon-nyc]

Yeah. Here’s the latest graph with all the Nordic countries.

[George K]

@jon-nyc, well, there you go.

I should be checking that site more often.

[mark]

Huh.

[Horace]

It's still not conclusive if, in order to maintain those numbers, you need to shut the country down.

[Loki]

@Horace said in Some numbers from Sweden:

It's still not conclusive if, in order to maintain those numbers, you need to shut the country down.

Right. We can save lives if we do nothing. Literally shelter in place.

[89th]

@jon-nyc wow