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Some numbers from Sweden

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  • bachophileB Online
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    bachophile
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    I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.

    Am I missing something?

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      I gather that they think it's ok as long as the health care system is not overwhelmed. That strict quarantines do not eradicate the virus but only delay the infections, and the infections will have to be dealt with in any case, assuming no vaccine is forthcoming in the next several months.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • bachophileB bachophile

        I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.

        Am I missing something?

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        @bachophile said in Some numbers from Sweden:

        I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.

        Am I missing something?

        You could be missing the fact that it's possible that at the end of all this, they'll have the same number of deaths, concentrated into a shorter time period. It's all a bit theoretical for my liking.

        Presumably, their economy isn't in the hole to the same extent. And no, I'm not saying it's a good idea.

        I was only joking

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          A number from Sweden

          Link to video

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            mark
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            #14

            'The price you pay': Sweden's 'herd immunity' experiment backfires...

            https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php?fbclid=IwAR14hjI0eTlpZJBY8NhzJndQNgoJfoTOZw4DMDbwfbONvMALJozIutHVG3Q

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              'The price you pay': Sweden's 'herd immunity' experiment backfires...

              https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php?fbclid=IwAR14hjI0eTlpZJBY8NhzJndQNgoJfoTOZw4DMDbwfbONvMALJozIutHVG3Q

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              George K
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              @mark

              Screen Shot 2020-05-24 at 6.02.42 PM.png

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

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                • HoraceH Online
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                  I like how they got an epidemiologist to say "higher numbers of dead people are worse, see?". Thanks, epidemiologist! But actually as far as I'm aware Sweden was eyes wide open about that obvious aspect to their plan. It really doesn't matter what we as Americans think about it, I think it's clear that at least the swedes are not in open revolt to the plan. Which I respect.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • markM mark

                    Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

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                    @mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                    Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

                    Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                      Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

                      Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.

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                      @jon-nyc said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                      @mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                      Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol

                      Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.

                      Screen Shot 2020-05-24 at 6.47.17 PM.png

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Yeah. Here’s the latest graph with all the Nordic countries.

                        61B90906-A585-425B-B5F7-AA6634406849.jpeg

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          Yeah. Here’s the latest graph with all the Nordic countries.

                          61B90906-A585-425B-B5F7-AA6634406849.jpeg

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                          @jon-nyc, well, there you go.

                          I should be checking that site more often.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Huh.

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                            • HoraceH Online
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                              It's still not conclusive if, in order to maintain those numbers, you need to shut the country down.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                @Horace said in Some numbers from Sweden:

                                It's still not conclusive if, in order to maintain those numbers, you need to shut the country down.

                                Right. We can save lives if we do nothing. Literally shelter in place.

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                                  @jon-nyc wow

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