Vaccination etiquette question
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@aqua-letifer said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@jolly said in Vaccination etiquette question:
They look at the numbers between open states and more restrictive states, and don't see the numbers that make sense to continue extraordinary measures.
There are different "they"s. Some areas have more thoughtful communities than others.
Good. You live in the most thoughtful community of assholes in the world.
@jolly said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@aqua-letifer said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@jolly said in Vaccination etiquette question:
They look at the numbers between open states and more restrictive states, and don't see the numbers that make sense to continue extraordinary measures.
There are different "they"s. Some areas have more thoughtful communities than others.
Good. You live in the most thoughtful community of assholes in the world.
Not at all! I live in a very average community, mostly conservative-leaning. Masks here are about 50/50. In other areas outside of here, though, they're a lot more prevalent.
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Right now with the variants, particularly P1, even if you are vaccinated it is best to to continue to follow the masking, social distancing and hand washing protocols. I wouldn't even consider attending any function at which there are more than a half dozen people. Even then it would have to be outdoors and no shared food or buffet.
Too many unknowns whirling about these current variants for my whole trust in the vaccine.
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Honestly if Iām vaccinated I donāt care if someone else is. Itās like...Iām wearing a seatbelt, if you donāt thatās on you. That being said, I think itās reasonable to require vaccinations to attend.
@89th said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Honestly if Iām vaccinated I donāt care if someone else is. Itās like...Iām wearing a seatbelt, if you donāt thatās on you. That being said, I think itās reasonable to require vaccinations to attend.
The longer the virus is out there, the more mutations that will occur and increasing the chance that it will be deadlier and/or render your current vaccine very significantly less effective.
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@89th said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Honestly if Iām vaccinated I donāt care if someone else is. Itās like...Iām wearing a seatbelt, if you donāt thatās on you. That being said, I think itās reasonable to require vaccinations to attend.
The longer the virus is out there, the more mutations that will occur and increasing the chance that it will be deadlier and/or render your current vaccine very significantly less effective.
@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
The longer the virus is out there, the more mutations that will occur and increasing the chance that it will be deadlier and/or render your current vaccine very significantly less effective.
Good points. Beyond that there's also the whole, y'know, how much it would suck if someone more vulnerable were to get permanently fucked up or die because some unvaccinated jackass spread the disease around. Be kinda nice if there were some way that could be more or less prevented.
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And none of the vaccines are 100% effective.
So, it makes sense that if everybody is vaccinated, then the chances of catching it are much much smaller.
Every un- vaccinated person increases the odds of getting COVID by a little bit.
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And none of the vaccines are 100% effective.
So, it makes sense that if everybody is vaccinated, then the chances of catching it are much much smaller.
Every un- vaccinated person increases the odds of getting COVID by a little bit.
@taiwan_girl said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Every un- vaccinated person increases the odds of getting COVID and making COVID worse on a global scale by a little bit.
FIFY.
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The longer the virus is out there, the more mutations that will occur.
Possible scenario: We have a case where the vaccine no longer can keep up. What will life look like?
āCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!ā
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terroristsā "due process". ā Buck Sexton
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This is the kind of panic that will make reasonable people crazy for years to come.
Panic.
What exactly is my danger if I have been vaccinated?
Yes, I know, I know, BEWARE! the vaccine IS NOT PERFECT!!!
OK, so exactly how imperfect is it?
I'm ready to drop the masks as soon as everyone who wants the vaccine has the vaccine, at the latest.
I'm ready to drop my mask now. I have the vaccine, I trust it.
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The longer the virus is out there, the more mutations that will occur.
Possible scenario: We have a case where the vaccine no longer can keep up. What will life look like?
@jolly said in Vaccination etiquette question:
The longer the virus is out there, the more mutations that will occur.
Possible scenario: We have a case where the vaccine no longer can keep up. What will life look like?
Another one - we have a mutation where the mortality rate is 5%, or 10%.
Honestly, refusing to get vaccinated without a bloody good reason is unconscionable.
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@jolly said in Vaccination etiquette question:
The longer the virus is out there, the more mutations that will occur.
Possible scenario: We have a case where the vaccine no longer can keep up. What will life look like?
Another one - we have a mutation where the mortality rate is 5%, or 10%.
Honestly, refusing to get vaccinated without a bloody good reason is unconscionable.
@doctor-phibes said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@jolly said in Vaccination etiquette question:
The longer the virus is out there, the more mutations that will occur.
Possible scenario: We have a case where the vaccine no longer can keep up. What will life look like?
Another one - we have a mutation where the mortality rate is 5%, or 10%.
Honestly, refusing to get vaccinated without a bloody good reason is unconscionable.
It's not refusing, people will be taking what's available, similar to the flu vaccine. But I don't see Americans continuing to live masked up and sanitized.
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@doctor-phibes said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@jolly said in Vaccination etiquette question:
The longer the virus is out there, the more mutations that will occur.
Possible scenario: We have a case where the vaccine no longer can keep up. What will life look like?
Another one - we have a mutation where the mortality rate is 5%, or 10%.
Honestly, refusing to get vaccinated without a bloody good reason is unconscionable.
It's not refusing, people will be taking what's available, similar to the flu vaccine. But I don't see Americans continuing to live masked up and sanitized.
@jolly said in Vaccination etiquette question:
It's not refusing, people will be taking what's available, similar to the flu vaccine. But I don't see Americans continuing to live masked up and sanitized.
There are plenty of people indicating that they're going to remain unvaccinated, and don't trust the vaccines - that's what I was referring to. Obviously, if somebody hasn't been offered a vaccine, there's not a whole lot they can do about it.
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This is the kind of panic that will make reasonable people crazy for years to come.
Panic.
What exactly is my danger if I have been vaccinated?
Yes, I know, I know, BEWARE! the vaccine IS NOT PERFECT!!!
OK, so exactly how imperfect is it?
I'm ready to drop the masks as soon as everyone who wants the vaccine has the vaccine, at the latest.
I'm ready to drop my mask now. I have the vaccine, I trust it.
@copper said in Vaccination etiquette question:
I'm ready to drop my mask now. I have the vaccine, I trust it.
Fine by me. Not only have you been vaccinated but you have also had COVID in the last six months. You're invulnerable to it now. You probably cannot vector it either.
Perhaps you should volunteer to help in Brazilian hospitals.
There is no panic from what I can see.
Elbows up!
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Here we are 20 years later with TSA still trying to prevent 9/11
It's the same panic
9/11 is over, you can't stop it, but the TSA continues to try
@copper said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Here we are 20 years later with TSA still trying to prevent 9/11
It's the same panic
9/11 is over, you can't stop it, but the TSA continues to try
I think the general idea is to stop it happening again.
Reliance on 'Lightning doesn't strike twice' isn't a very good survival strategy, particularly, it has to be said, if you're a steeplejack.
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@copper said in Vaccination etiquette question:
I'm ready to drop my mask now. I have the vaccine, I trust it.
Fine by me. Not only have you been vaccinated but you have also had COVID in the last six months. You're invulnerable to it now. You probably cannot vector it either.
Perhaps you should volunteer to help in Brazilian hospitals.
There is no panic from what I can see.
@renauda said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@copper said in Vaccination etiquette question:
I'm ready to drop my mask now. I have the vaccine, I trust it.
Fine by me. Not only have you been vaccinated but you have also had COVID in the last six months. You're invulnerable to it now. You probably cannot vector it either.
Perhaps you should volunteer to help in Brazilian hospitals.
There is no panic from what I can see.
Nah, but a nice Canadian vacation? Some places up there even speak English...
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@renauda said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@copper said in Vaccination etiquette question:
I'm ready to drop my mask now. I have the vaccine, I trust it.
Fine by me. Not only have you been vaccinated but you have also had COVID in the last six months. You're invulnerable to it now. You probably cannot vector it either.
Perhaps you should volunteer to help in Brazilian hospitals.
There is no panic from what I can see.
Nah, but a nice Canadian vacation? Some places up there even speak English...
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Canadian border with US remains closed to non essential travel and Trump supporting libertarian bean counters.
@renauda said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Canadian border with US remains closed to non essential travel and Trump supporting libertarian bean counters.
How do you feel about illegal Mexicans and Central Americans?
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@renauda said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Canadian border with US remains closed to non essential travel and Trump supporting libertarian bean counters.
How do you feel about illegal Mexicans and Central Americans?
