Albanil
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@doctor-phibes said in Albanil:
This was one of the first things I noticed when I came over here.
In 2003.
It's worse now.
wrote on 25 Mar 2021, 18:47 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Albanil:
This was one of the first things I noticed when I came over here.
In 2003.
It's worse now.
Bush, Obama, Trump.
None of them fixed it.
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@doctor-phibes said in Albanil:
This was one of the first things I noticed when I came over here.
In 2003.
It's worse now.
Bush, Obama, Trump.
None of them fixed it.
wrote on 25 Mar 2021, 18:49 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Albanil:
@doctor-phibes said in Albanil:
This was one of the first things I noticed when I came over here.
In 2003.
It's worse now.
Bush, Obama, Trump.
None of them fixed it.
Trump tried.
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@doctor-phibes said in Albanil:
@doctor-phibes said in Albanil:
This was one of the first things I noticed when I came over here.
In 2003.
It's worse now.
Bush, Obama, Trump.
None of them fixed it.
Trump tried.
wrote on 25 Mar 2021, 18:51 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Albanil:
@doctor-phibes said in Albanil:
This was one of the first things I noticed when I came over here.
In 2003.
It's worse now.
Bush, Obama, Trump.
None of them fixed it.
Trump tried.
So did Bush and Obama.
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Watching a crew of bricklayers today (BTW, never call a mason a bricklayer, that's an insult. It's like calling a furniture maker a carpenter.), I noticed not a single person spoke English.
That's par for the course, nowadays. Same thing goes for roofers and concrete finishers. All Mexicans.
Sadly, those used to be the jobs where you saw a lot of less educated black and white folks. It's hard work, but wages used to be pretty good.
Joe, you're killing us...
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@aqua-letifer said in Albanil:
Watching a crew of bricklayers today (BTW, never call a mason a bricklayer, that's an insult. It's like calling a furniture maker a carpenter.), I noticed not a single person spoke English.
For most places around the country it's about 50/50, white/hispanic.
In England all the brickies are Polish. At least, they were the last time I visited.
I shudder to think what's going to happen when they can't get well-motivated immigrants to do the job.
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@aqua-letifer said in Albanil:
Watching a crew of bricklayers today (BTW, never call a mason a bricklayer, that's an insult. It's like calling a furniture maker a carpenter.), I noticed not a single person spoke English.
For most places around the country it's about 50/50, white/hispanic.
In England all the brickies are Polish. At least, they were the last time I visited.
I shudder to think what's going to happen when they can't get well-motivated immigrants to do the job.
wrote on 25 Mar 2021, 19:19 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Albanil:
I shudder to think what's going to happen when they can't get well-motivated immigrants to do the job.
Height wages for citizens to do some of the jobs, leave the other jobs not done, until robot technology catches up.
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@doctor-phibes said in Albanil:
I shudder to think what's going to happen when they can't get well-motivated immigrants to do the job.
Height wages for citizens to do some of the jobs, leave the other jobs not done, until robot technology catches up.
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@aqua-letifer said in Albanil:
Watching a crew of bricklayers today (BTW, never call a mason a bricklayer, that's an insult. It's like calling a furniture maker a carpenter.), I noticed not a single person spoke English.
For most places around the country it's about 50/50, white/hispanic.
Down here, as recent as the 90's, it was about 70/30, with most of the brick and concrete guys being
black.My question us what happened to the guys who used to do these jobs? They became accountants?
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@aqua-letifer said in Albanil:
Watching a crew of bricklayers today (BTW, never call a mason a bricklayer, that's an insult. It's like calling a furniture maker a carpenter.), I noticed not a single person spoke English.
For most places around the country it's about 50/50, white/hispanic.
Down here, as recent as the 90's, it was about 70/30, with most of the brick and concrete guys being
black.My question us what happened to the guys who used to do these jobs? They became accountants?
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@doctor-phibes said in Albanil:
I shudder to think what's going to happen when they can't get well-motivated immigrants to do the job.
Height wages for citizens to do some of the jobs, leave the other jobs not done, until robot technology catches up.
wrote on 25 Mar 2021, 21:01 last edited by Catseye3Height wages for citizens to do some of the jobs --
This will be patchy because I don't remember key details, but:
Down South, Georgia, Alabama, somewhere thereabouts, some bureaucrat, the governor maybe, did something to drive away the migrant labor who heretofore had harvested the peaches (?) Result: The crop rotted on the ground. Possibly because welfare paid better than migrant wages.
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wrote on 26 Mar 2021, 02:06 last edited by
In Japan, there is a description for a certain type of job.
They are called 3K - which the English translation is
dirty
dangerous
demeaningWho takes those jobs? Immigrants.
I think there is a version like this all over the world.
In the US, it is the Spanish people
In Thailand, the Burmese
In Taiwan, mainly mainland Chinese
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In Japan, there is a description for a certain type of job.
They are called 3K - which the English translation is
dirty
dangerous
demeaningWho takes those jobs? Immigrants.
I think there is a version like this all over the world.
In the US, it is the Spanish people
In Thailand, the Burmese
In Taiwan, mainly mainland Chinese
etcwrote on 26 Mar 2021, 13:04 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Albanil:
In Japan, there is a description for a certain type of job.
They are called 3K - which the English translation is
dirty
dangerous
demeaningWho takes those jobs? Immigrants.
I think there is a version like this all over the world.
In the US, it is the Spanish people
In Thailand, the Burmese
In Taiwan, mainly mainland Chinese
etcEver watch the old Mike Rowe series, Dirty Jobs? Lots of dirty and dangerous jobs out there. Some of them pay pretty well.
As for bricklayers, concrete finishers, roofers and the like, those are physically demanding jobs, but the money can be pretty good. I don't think you can compare those jobs to things like agriculture work.
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@taiwan_girl said in Albanil:
In Japan, there is a description for a certain type of job.
They are called 3K - which the English translation is
dirty
dangerous
demeaningWho takes those jobs? Immigrants.
I think there is a version like this all over the world.
In the US, it is the Spanish people
In Thailand, the Burmese
In Taiwan, mainly mainland Chinese
etcEver watch the old Mike Rowe series, Dirty Jobs? Lots of dirty and dangerous jobs out there. Some of them pay pretty well.
As for bricklayers, concrete finishers, roofers and the like, those are physically demanding jobs, but the money can be pretty good. I don't think you can compare those jobs to things like agriculture work.
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wrote on 26 Mar 2021, 13:26 last edited by
I wonder if he'll try to do 'middle manager in an engineering firm'.
Actually, Mike Rowe is probably not the best choice for that, they'd be better off using Wayne Carr.
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@taiwan_girl said in Albanil:
In Japan, there is a description for a certain type of job.
They are called 3K - which the English translation is
dirty
dangerous
demeaningWho takes those jobs? Immigrants.
I think there is a version like this all over the world.
In the US, it is the Spanish people
In Thailand, the Burmese
In Taiwan, mainly mainland Chinese
etcEver watch the old Mike Rowe series, Dirty Jobs? Lots of dirty and dangerous jobs out there. Some of them pay pretty well.
As for bricklayers, concrete finishers, roofers and the like, those are physically demanding jobs, but the money can be pretty good. I don't think you can compare those jobs to things like agriculture work.
wrote on 26 Mar 2021, 13:34 last edited byAs for bricklayers, concrete finishers, roofers and the like, those are physically demanding jobs, but the money can be pretty good.
It's a bit of a trap, though. A buddy of mine is some kind of specialist window installer. Money's good but a hernia and subsequent surgery put him out of work for about 2 weeks. Problem is, it'll be hard for him to change professions.
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wrote on 26 Mar 2021, 14:26 last edited by
The people I know who do this kind of work frequently seem to end up with physical issues. When you hit 50, it's not the same.
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As for bricklayers, concrete finishers, roofers and the like, those are physically demanding jobs, but the money can be pretty good.
It's a bit of a trap, though. A buddy of mine is some kind of specialist window installer. Money's good but a hernia and subsequent surgery put him out of work for about 2 weeks. Problem is, it'll be hard for him to change professions.
wrote on 26 Mar 2021, 14:48 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Albanil:
As for bricklayers, concrete finishers, roofers and the like, those are physically demanding jobs, but the money can be pretty good.
It's a bit of a trap, though. A buddy of mine is some kind of specialist window installer. Money's good but a hernia and subsequent surgery put him out of work for about 2 weeks. Problem is, it'll be hard for him to change professions.
My niece married a guy who did that. He later started his own company in Florida and has done pretty durn well.