The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 15:34 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened. Now maybe a couple of days to a week will make little difference but the appearance of calling out a big bad wolf and saying they can’t shoot it is a horrible look.
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@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened. Now maybe a couple of days to a week will make little difference but the appearance of calling out a big bad wolf and saying they can’t shoot it is a horrible look.
wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 15:39 last edited by Doctor Phibes@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened.
The British NHS is currently doing very well, so I don't think you can pin the blame on single-payer government-funded systems.
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@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened.
The British NHS is currently doing very well, so I don't think you can pin the blame on single-payer government-funded systems.
wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 17:06 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened.
The British NHS is currently doing very well, so I don't think you can pin the blame on single-payer government-funded systems.
I’ve lauded Great Britain every step of the way on approvals and wished the US just took their analysis. Would have saved many US lives for sure and excess deaths used to be the benchmark until the election.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 17:22 last edited by xenon
I just don't see the risk of the AZ vaccine being anywhere near the large magnitude of the benefits.
There's a shot clock on a mutation that can change the game here. It may never come - but the possibility is always there.
Everyone needs to be vaccinated ASAP.
Lockdowns have some pretty real side effects.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 18:28 last edited by
Right now you are dealing with a statistically significant portion of the population in Europe (and the US) that is very nervous about any COVID vaccine. Continuing to push on approval for a vaccine that is getting this bad press can cause more damage to the overall vaccination effort than benefit. Let the processes work and show confidence in those processes.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 18:33 last edited by xenon
I get you - but I didn't realize that Europe is the beating heart of anti-vax sentiment.
The reports of the AZ thing are things like "a person got a shot then a few days later got a brain bleed". With social media - all it takes is a few anecdotes to make a story.
With millions of people getting vaccinated - you'll always be able to connect dots.
I just haven't seen the data to say that the reported things weren't coincidence.
I think officials suspending an approved vaccine without clear evidence feeds into undermining confidence.
But I do get what you're saying LD - you have to keep trust as high as possible. This is a tough one.
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Right now you are dealing with a statistically significant portion of the population in Europe (and the US) that is very nervous about any COVID vaccine. Continuing to push on approval for a vaccine that is getting this bad press can cause more damage to the overall vaccination effort than benefit. Let the processes work and show confidence in those processes.
wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 19:46 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Right now you are dealing with a statistically significant portion of the population in Europe (and the US) that is very nervous about any COVID vaccine. Continuing to push on approval for a vaccine that is getting this bad press can cause more damage to the overall vaccination effort than benefit. Let the processes work and show confidence in those processes.
The panic is based out of complete ignorance on the part of those concerned. The vaccine is new to them, so they're freaking the hell out. But none of the technology is new. Literally at all. It'd be like being afraid of buying a 2022 model Camry because you just now learned that cars run off of a combustion engine, and explosions scare you.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 19:56 last edited by
Vaccine passports takes care of this very nicely. We’ve tried coaxing. Time to move on or all our lives and livelihoods will be majorly impacted.
Enough already.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 21:28 last edited by
@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
We’ve tried coaxing.
The vast majority of Americans haven't even had the opportunity to make an appointment. Many states are still in 1C.
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Vaccine passports takes care of this very nicely. We’ve tried coaxing. Time to move on or all our lives and livelihoods will be majorly impacted.
Enough already.
wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 21:57 last edited by@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Vaccine passports takes care of this very nicely. We’ve tried coaxing. Time to move on or all our lives and livelihoods will be majorly impacted.
Enough already.
95% efficacy vs getting the disease, and 100% efficacy against anything beyond mild cold symptoms. Get your vaccine when you are able, wait your 30 days for full efficacy, then lead your life without any concerns. If somebody chooses to not get theirs, then that is on them. If they want to risk it, it’s their call. Who cares?
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Re the above, it seems to me if approval isn’t imminent they should send them to Canada with the idea that Canada will redirect equivalent numbers back here once we do approve.
wrote on 19 Mar 2021, 00:32 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Re the above, it seems to me if approval isn’t imminent they should send them to Canada with the idea that Canada will redirect equivalent numbers back here once we do approve.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-mexico-idUSKBN2BA22S
“U.S. to share 4 million doses of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine with Mexico, Canada”
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wrote on 19 Mar 2021, 00:44 last edited by jon-nyc
Nice! (Shoulda happened a couple of weeks ago, glad the press shined light on it, that probably made a difference)
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@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Vaccine passports takes care of this very nicely. We’ve tried coaxing. Time to move on or all our lives and livelihoods will be majorly impacted.
Enough already.
95% efficacy vs getting the disease, and 100% efficacy against anything beyond mild cold symptoms. Get your vaccine when you are able, wait your 30 days for full efficacy, then lead your life without any concerns. If somebody chooses to not get theirs, then that is on them. If they want to risk it, it’s their call. Who cares?
wrote on 19 Mar 2021, 15:20 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Vaccine passports takes care of this very nicely. We’ve tried coaxing. Time to move on or all our lives and livelihoods will be majorly impacted.
Enough already.
95% efficacy vs getting the disease, and 100% efficacy against anything beyond mild cold symptoms. Get your vaccine when you are able, wait your 30 days for full efficacy, then lead your life without any concerns. If somebody chooses to not get theirs, then that is on them. If they want to risk it, it’s their call. Who cares?
Works for me...
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wrote on 19 Mar 2021, 16:50 last edited by Doctor Phibes
If somebody offered me the chance, I'd tear their arm off.
It's maybe a little early to be pointing the finger of self-righteous fury at people who haven't been vaccinated. I'm still silently and busily mouthing 'wanker' at people shopping without a mask on. If nothing else, wearing a mask is great for dealing with irritation.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2021, 18:21 last edited by
W00t!! I'm scheduled for next Thursday at. . . Safeway just down the street!
I don't have to go to the airport or convention center.
I checked every day, and the calendar for getting the shot at any local pharmacy was always grayed out for March and April. But last night, there was one date that was green, and I grabbed it.
Damn good, eh? Doo-wat-doo-wat!! -
W00t!! I'm scheduled for next Thursday at. . . Safeway just down the street!
I don't have to go to the airport or convention center.
I checked every day, and the calendar for getting the shot at any local pharmacy was always grayed out for March and April. But last night, there was one date that was green, and I grabbed it.
Damn good, eh? Doo-wat-doo-wat!!wrote on 19 Mar 2021, 19:25 last edited by@rainman said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
W00t!! I'm scheduled for next Thursday at. . . Safeway just down the street!
I don't have to go to the airport or convention center.
I checked every day, and the calendar for getting the shot at any local pharmacy was always grayed out for March and April. But last night, there was one date that was green, and I grabbed it.
Damn good, eh? Doo-wat-doo-wat!!Excellent, Rainman! So glad to hear this.
Maybe take a day off after it. I had mine yesterday in the late afternoon. By last night, I had a slight temp, fatigue, and lots of aches. Today is better, but still not great.
You also get to have a chocolate malt after the shot. That's what happened here.
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@rainman said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
W00t!! I'm scheduled for next Thursday at. . . Safeway just down the street!
I don't have to go to the airport or convention center.
I checked every day, and the calendar for getting the shot at any local pharmacy was always grayed out for March and April. But last night, there was one date that was green, and I grabbed it.
Damn good, eh? Doo-wat-doo-wat!!Excellent, Rainman! So glad to hear this.
Maybe take a day off after it. I had mine yesterday in the late afternoon. By last night, I had a slight temp, fatigue, and lots of aches. Today is better, but still not great.
You also get to have a chocolate malt after the shot. That's what happened here.
wrote on 19 Mar 2021, 19:26 last edited byI should add that hubby is having the same reaction. He also had the malt.
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wrote on 20 Mar 2021, 02:36 last edited by
Brenda, I didn't think of that. Taking a day off because. . .
So, it's possible that I will feel really lousy, for days.
I really do deserve a mild reaction.
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W00t!! I'm scheduled for next Thursday at. . . Safeway just down the street!
I don't have to go to the airport or convention center.
I checked every day, and the calendar for getting the shot at any local pharmacy was always grayed out for March and April. But last night, there was one date that was green, and I grabbed it.
Damn good, eh? Doo-wat-doo-wat!! -
wrote on 20 Mar 2021, 03:43 last edited by
I get a number 2 almost every day.
