The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Again, if he wants to die on it, that's his choice. Don't tell other people to die on it. Some of whom may be at greater risk than he is.

I'm not Catholic. And neither are you.

So I shouldn't criticise anything the RC church has done through the centuries?

And the Pope has said using the vaccine is acceptable.

He's picked a fine time to develop independent thought.

Is it OK to put people at risk over your religious beliefs?

You can criticize, but you don't have their belief system. It's an ethical question for them. On one hand, the fact that your vaccine is made from aborted babies is indisputable. On the other, whether a Catholic becomes infected or not, and whether they transmit the disease is not complete certainty.

Lastly, and most importantly, there are other vaccines available, especially to the most vulnerable and especially at this time.

Medical ethics is not always one-fits-all .

[Doctor Phibes]

@lufins-dad said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Question 1) Would you accept a kidney transplant from a donor that had been murdered?

Question 2) Would you accept a kidney transplant from a Doctor that purchased the kidney from a murderer?

The actual question is whether you would tell other people not to accept a kidney transplant from somebody who was murdered. As I said before, the Bishop can do what he likes with his own life.

[LuFins Dad]

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@lufins-dad said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Question 1) Would you accept a kidney transplant from a donor that had been murdered?

Question 2) Would you accept a kidney transplant from a Doctor that purchased the kidney from a murderer?

The actual question is whether you would tell other people not to accept a kidney transplant from somebody who was murdered. As I said before, the Bishop can do what he likes with his own life.

No, it’s ad’s advising them not to get the transplant from a hospital that purchases organs from traffickers that do the killing. And that is a different ethical question.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Medical ethics is not always one-fits-all .

This is true.

I also think the Jehovah's witnesses are misguided idiots regarding their opinions regarding blood transfusions.

Anybody care to defend them?

[Copper]

I'll defend their right to make the choice

Other than that, they're on their own

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Medical ethics is not always one-fits-all .

This is true.

I also think the Jehovah's witnesses are misguided idiots regarding their opinions regarding blood transfusions.

Anybody care to defend them?

Yes.

I've been where the rubber meets the road. We've had multiple JH patients over the years that badly needed transfusions. Most of the tine, the doc looks them in the eye and tells them it's get the blood or die. Most take the blood.

But more than one has said no. And of those, most died.

I respect that. Their faith may be misguided, in my opinion, but they durn sure have it.

[Axtremus]

It's OK to condemn something as stupid while defending people's rights to do those stupid things.

As long as one's decision does not hurt others and every one gets to make his own informed decision, I suppose that's good enough.

[Rainman]

@lufins-dad said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Question 1) Would you accept a kidney transplant from a donor that had been murdered?

Question 2) Would you accept a kidney transplant from a Doctor that purchased the kidney from a murderer?

hmmm. China?
Is morality fixed, or is morality flexible given need, historical perspective and necessity?

This will go nowhere fast, IMO. Take the vaccine and then with your newfound longevity, work towards the greater good for the rest of your life.

Thanks, preacher Rainman!

[Rainman]

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@lufins-dad said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Question 1) Would you accept a kidney transplant from a donor that had been murdered?

Question 2) Would you accept a kidney transplant from a Doctor that purchased the kidney from a murderer?

The actual question is whether you would tell other people not to accept a kidney transplant from somebody who was murdered. As I said before, the Bishop can do what he likes with his own life.

Phibes is correct, it's the reality of the situation.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Medical ethics is not always one-fits-all .

This is true.

I also think the Jehovah's witnesses are misguided idiots regarding their opinions regarding blood transfusions.

Anybody care to defend them?

Yes.

I've been where the rubber meets the road. We've had multiple JH patients over the years that badly needed transfusions. Most of the tine, the doc looks them in the eye and tells them it's get the blood or die. Most take the blood.

But more than one has said no. And of those, most died.

I respect that. Their faith may be misguided, in my opinion, but they durn sure have it.

Unless of course they're refusing the treatment on behalf of somebody else, who is either too young or is incapacitated to such an extent to prevent them from making the decision for themselves, in which case common sense would hopefully prevail.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Medical ethics is not always one-fits-all .

This is true.

I also think the Jehovah's witnesses are misguided idiots regarding their opinions regarding blood transfusions.

Anybody care to defend them?

Yes.

I've been where the rubber meets the road. We've had multiple JH patients over the years that badly needed transfusions. Most of the tine, the doc looks them in the eye and tells them it's get the blood or die. Most take the blood.

But more than one has said no. And of those, most died.

I respect that. Their faith may be misguided, in my opinion, but they durn sure have it.

Unless of course they're refusing the treatment on behalf of somebody else, who is either too young or is incapacitated to such an extent to prevent them from making the decision for themselves, in which case common sense would hopefully prevail.

Been there, too. That takes intervention by the court.

[George K]

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Most of the tine, the doc looks them in the eye and tells them it's get the blood or die. Most take the blood.

Been there - "If you don't get a transfusion tonight, you're going to die. Are you prepared for that?"

He refused the transfusion.

Miraculously, he survived the surgery for about 3 days. He continued to bleed (ruptured AAA) and then, in the ICU, against his wishes, he was given a transfusion. Died anyway.

No, I don't know if there was any fallout from that.

[Loki]

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Medical ethics is not always one-fits-all .

This is true.

I also think the Jehovah's witnesses are misguided idiots regarding their opinions regarding blood transfusions.

Anybody care to defend them?

I’d like to buy an argument please.