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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigan-republicans-change-2024-nomination-process-may-boost-trump-2023-06-11/

    Republicans in Michigan approved a proposal on Saturday to select more than two-thirds of their state delegates for the party's 2024 presidential nomination via caucus meetings, a change that could help party front-runner Donald Trump.

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    @Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigan-republicans-change-2024-nomination-process-may-boost-trump-2023-06-11/

    Republicans in Michigan approved a proposal on Saturday to select more than two-thirds of their state delegates for the party's 2024 presidential nomination via caucus meetings, a change that could help party front-runner Donald Trump.

    Appears that those in charge may be secretly Democrats, and know that the best chance for the Democrats to win the president in 2024 is to have Pres. Trump be the nominee.

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      https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/18/chris-christie-republican-loyalty-oath-trump-00102536

      The GOP's loyalty oath, the pledge by the candidates to support the eventual nominee, the message seems to be "because Trump broke it the last time, we're not going to take it seriously this time."

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        https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/06-27-2023/is-he-the-strongest/

        House Speaker Kevin McCarthy openly questions whether Trump would be the "strongest candidate" the GOP can field.

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          https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/07/kevin-mccarthy-endorsement-trump-00105001?cid=apn

          McCarthy declines to endorse Trump — looking to avoid a GOP civil war
          The peace might be short-lived, but the speaker's members understand why he's not offering a formal endorsement to Donald Trump.
          ...

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            Sen Cassidy of Louisiana

            " ‘I might have to write’ a Republican in if Trump is GOP’s 2024 nominee"

            Link to video

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              Bullshit.

              I get the feeling this will be Bill's last round in Washington.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-breaks-mccarthy-republicans-government-shutdown-rcna117192

                Trump is working against the Republican Speaker of the House by calling for a government shutdown:

                “The Republicans lost big on Debt Ceiling, got NOTHING, and now are worried that they will be BLAMED for the Budget Shutdown. Wrong!!! Whoever is President will be blamed,” Trump wrote, adding: “UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN! Close the Border, stop the Weaponization of ‘Justice,’ and End Election Interference.”

                And Trump keeps insulting the Senate Republican leader:

                “It’s time Republicans learned how to fight!” Trump wrote. “Are you listening Mitch McConnell, the weakest, dumbest, and most conflicted 'Leader' in U.S. Senate history?”

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-breaks-mccarthy-republicans-government-shutdown-rcna117192

                  Trump is working against the Republican Speaker of the House by calling for a government shutdown:

                  “The Republicans lost big on Debt Ceiling, got NOTHING, and now are worried that they will be BLAMED for the Budget Shutdown. Wrong!!! Whoever is President will be blamed,” Trump wrote, adding: “UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN! Close the Border, stop the Weaponization of ‘Justice,’ and End Election Interference.”

                  And Trump keeps insulting the Senate Republican leader:

                  “It’s time Republicans learned how to fight!” Trump wrote. “Are you listening Mitch McConnell, the weakest, dumbest, and most conflicted 'Leader' in U.S. Senate history?”

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                  @Axtremus Has that hurt President Trump previously? He insults people, insults their wives, parents, belittle them, belittle their work, etc etc, and yet most of the Republicans dont have the spine to stand up to him.

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                    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/former-speaker-paul-ryan-republicans-lose-donald-trump-103514088

                    Former House Speaker Paul Ryan said Tuesday that Republicans will lose the presidential election if Donald Trump is the nominee

                    Ryan said in the small number of swing states, including Wisconsin, the election will come down to winning over suburban voters.
                    “Do you think those suburban voters like Donald Trump more since Jan. 6?" Ryan said. "I mean, good grief. They didn’t vote for him this last time, they’re not going to vote for him again.”

                    Kind of my thinking. The middle voters are the ones that are going to decide the election. They didn't vote for President Trump last time, and I don't think he has done anything to change their mind so far.

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                      https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/18/gop-party-house-speaker-00122371

                      Paul Ryan on why the GOP cannot unite, with Trump in the middle of it.

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                        Makes sense and is pretty obvious.

                        “This is a political-leaning conference right now, not a policy-leaning conference,” Ryan told me. Which makes sense, he added, because “our party is a populist-leaning party right now, not a policy-leaning party.”

                        For sure, President Trump is a populist and is very good about reading the people and goes which way the wind is blowing.

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                          Mr. Barr speaking on President Trump

                          https://thehill.com/homenews/4280503-bill-barr-knocks-trump-for-having-verbal-skills-that-are-limited/

                          “His verbal skills are limited,” Barr said at an event at The University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics.

                          Barr’s comments about the complexity of the former president’s vocabulary prompted laughs from the audience.
                          “If you get him away from ‘very, very, very,’ you know, the adjectives … they’re unfamiliar to him and they spill out, and he goes too far,” he said.

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                            Mr. Barr speaking on President Trump

                            https://thehill.com/homenews/4280503-bill-barr-knocks-trump-for-having-verbal-skills-that-are-limited/

                            “His verbal skills are limited,” Barr said at an event at The University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics.

                            Barr’s comments about the complexity of the former president’s vocabulary prompted laughs from the audience.
                            “If you get him away from ‘very, very, very,’ you know, the adjectives … they’re unfamiliar to him and they spill out, and he goes too far,” he said.

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                            @taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                            Mr. Barr speaking on President Trump

                            https://thehill.com/homenews/4280503-bill-barr-knocks-trump-for-having-verbal-skills-that-are-limited/

                            “His verbal skills are limited,” Barr said at an event at The University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics.

                            Barr’s comments about the complexity of the former president’s vocabulary prompted laughs from the audience.
                            “If you get him away from ‘very, very, very,’ you know, the adjectives … they’re unfamiliar to him and they spill out, and he goes too far,” he said.

                            And President Trump's response. Please please explain to me why so many people think that he is the best person to be President, which includes acting rationally and responsibly under pressure.

                            “I called Bill Barr Dumb, Weak, Slow Moving, Lethargic, Gutless, and Lazy, a RINO WHO COULDN’T DO THE JOB,” he wrote, using the term meaning “Republican in Name Only.” “He just didn’t want to be Impeached, which the Radical Left Lunatics were preparing to do.”

                            “I was tough on him in the White House, for good reason, so now this Moron says about me, to get even, ‘his verbal skills are limited,’” the former president continued. “Well, that’s one I haven’t heard before. Tell that to the biggest political crowds in the history of politics, by far. Bill Barr is a LOSER!”

                            https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4283140-trump-rips-barr-limited-verbal-skills/

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                              https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/lindsey-graham-delivers-his-most-painfully-clueless-defence-of-trump-yet_uk_6541f9a9e4b032ae1c9d5060

                              Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) made the bold claim on Tuesday that the world would be safer and more peaceful if Donald Trump were still president.

                              “I believe if Trump were president, none of this would be going on,” he said Tuesday night on CNN. “If he were president of the United States, Hamas would not have attacked Israel, I really believe that, Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine because they’re afraid of the guy.”

                              Graham’s claim flies in the face of comments from Trump himself, who recently bragged of making U.S. loyalty to allies in times of military crisis contingent upon those countries forking out extra cash for that protection.

                              During an event in Iowa on Sunday, Trump recalled telling world leaders that their countries need to pay more for protection... or else.

                              “The head of a country stood up, said, ‘Does that mean if Russia attacks my country, you will not be there?’” Trump said. “That’s right, that’s what it means. I will not protect you.”

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                                https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/11/01/ken-buck-republican-gop-reelection/71410441007/

                                “Too many Republican leaders are lying to America, claiming that the 2020 election was stolen, describing January 6 as an unguided tour of the Capitol, and asserting that the ensuing prosecutions are a weaponization of our justice system,” Buck said in the video.

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                                  Kinda left out the point he was going to be primaried and was going to get his ass handed to him...

                                  Small detail. Insignificant.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    Kinda left out the point he was going to be primaried and was going to get his ass handed to him...

                                    Small detail. Insignificant.

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                                    @Jolly said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                                    was going to get his ass handed to him...

                                    Why? What is his politics that would cause that?

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                                      Billionaire Republican donor Peter Thiel expressed disappointment with former President Donald Trump’s time in office, remarking that the administration failed to meet even his “low expectations.”

                                      During an interview with The Atlantic’s Barton Gellman, Thiel said “voting for Trump was like a not very articulate scream for help,” which he hoped would change the country for the better, but which ultimately left him disappointed and “disenchanted.”

                                      “There are a lot of things I got wrong,” Thiel told Gellman. “It was crazier than I thought. It was more dangerous than I thought. They couldn’t get the most basic pieces of the government to work. So that was—I think that part was maybe worse than even my low expectations.”

                                      ****Thiel — who financially backed Trump in 2016 — revealed that Trump had recently called him to say “he was very sad” and “had expected way more” after Thiel refused to give the former president any money this election cycle.

                                      “Months later, word got back to Thiel that Trump had called [Blake] Masters to discourage him from running for Senate again, and had called Thiel a ‘fucking scumbag,'”**** Gellman reported, adding that Thiel no longer wanted to make any donations to Republican candidates in the near future.

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                                        GOP senators feel ambushed by Trump’s policy promises

                                        https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4332096-gop-senators-feel-ambushed-by-trumps-policy-promises/

                                        ... Trump is creating new political headaches for Republicans locked in a highly competitive battle to win back the Senate majority by making extreme statements on health care, immigration and other issues unlikely to play well with swing voters in key states.
                                        .
                                        Trump shook up Republicans on Capitol Hill over the weekend by declaring that if elected president he would make another run at repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act.
                                        .
                                        The comments posted on Trump’s media platform, Truth Social, caught GOP lawmakers off guard because they haven’t had any serious policy discussions recently about getting rid of the landmark health care law, and there’s no consensus within their party on how to replace it.
                                        ...

                                        Maybe they'll run on "repeal and replace" again?

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                                          Former Speaker Ryan speaks.

                                          https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/paul-ryan-latest-republican-equate-trump-authoritarian-leader

                                          Former Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan accused former President Donald Trump of being an "authoritarian narcissist," making him the latest party member to equate the former president to a dictator.

                                          "Trump’s not a conservative,” Ryan said at a virtual event hosted by consulting firm Teneo on Wednesday. “He’s a populist, authoritarian narcissist. So, historically speaking, all of his tendencies are basically where narcissism takes him, which is whatever makes him popular, make him feel good at any given moment.”

                                          “He thinks in an authoritarian way, and he’s been able to get a big chunk of the Republican base to follow him because he’s the culture warrior,” Ryan continued.

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