Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss
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Former House Speaker Paul Ryan said Tuesday that Republicans will lose the presidential election if Donald Trump is the nominee
Ryan said in the small number of swing states, including Wisconsin, the election will come down to winning over suburban voters.
“Do you think those suburban voters like Donald Trump more since Jan. 6?" Ryan said. "I mean, good grief. They didn’t vote for him this last time, they’re not going to vote for him again.”Kind of my thinking. The middle voters are the ones that are going to decide the election. They didn't vote for President Trump last time, and I don't think he has done anything to change their mind so far.
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/18/gop-party-house-speaker-00122371
Paul Ryan on why the GOP cannot unite, with Trump in the middle of it.
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Makes sense and is pretty obvious.
“This is a political-leaning conference right now, not a policy-leaning conference,” Ryan told me. Which makes sense, he added, because “our party is a populist-leaning party right now, not a policy-leaning party.”
For sure, President Trump is a populist and is very good about reading the people and goes which way the wind is blowing.
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Mr. Barr speaking on President Trump
“His verbal skills are limited,” Barr said at an event at The University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics.
Barr’s comments about the complexity of the former president’s vocabulary prompted laughs from the audience.
“If you get him away from ‘very, very, very,’ you know, the adjectives … they’re unfamiliar to him and they spill out, and he goes too far,” he said. -
Mr. Barr speaking on President Trump
“His verbal skills are limited,” Barr said at an event at The University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics.
Barr’s comments about the complexity of the former president’s vocabulary prompted laughs from the audience.
“If you get him away from ‘very, very, very,’ you know, the adjectives … they’re unfamiliar to him and they spill out, and he goes too far,” he said.@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Mr. Barr speaking on President Trump
“His verbal skills are limited,” Barr said at an event at The University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics.
Barr’s comments about the complexity of the former president’s vocabulary prompted laughs from the audience.
“If you get him away from ‘very, very, very,’ you know, the adjectives … they’re unfamiliar to him and they spill out, and he goes too far,” he said.And President Trump's response. Please please explain to me why so many people think that he is the best person to be President, which includes acting rationally and responsibly under pressure.
“I called Bill Barr Dumb, Weak, Slow Moving, Lethargic, Gutless, and Lazy, a RINO WHO COULDN’T DO THE JOB,” he wrote, using the term meaning “Republican in Name Only.” “He just didn’t want to be Impeached, which the Radical Left Lunatics were preparing to do.”
“I was tough on him in the White House, for good reason, so now this Moron says about me, to get even, ‘his verbal skills are limited,’” the former president continued. “Well, that’s one I haven’t heard before. Tell that to the biggest political crowds in the history of politics, by far. Bill Barr is a LOSER!”
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4283140-trump-rips-barr-limited-verbal-skills/
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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) made the bold claim on Tuesday that the world would be safer and more peaceful if Donald Trump were still president.
“I believe if Trump were president, none of this would be going on,” he said Tuesday night on CNN. “If he were president of the United States, Hamas would not have attacked Israel, I really believe that, Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine because they’re afraid of the guy.”
Graham’s claim flies in the face of comments from Trump himself, who recently bragged of making U.S. loyalty to allies in times of military crisis contingent upon those countries forking out extra cash for that protection.
During an event in Iowa on Sunday, Trump recalled telling world leaders that their countries need to pay more for protection... or else.
“The head of a country stood up, said, ‘Does that mean if Russia attacks my country, you will not be there?’” Trump said. “That’s right, that’s what it means. I will not protect you.”
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Kinda left out the point he was going to be primaried and was going to get his ass handed to him...
Small detail. Insignificant.
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Kinda left out the point he was going to be primaried and was going to get his ass handed to him...
Small detail. Insignificant.
@Jolly said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
was going to get his ass handed to him...
Why? What is his politics that would cause that?
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Billionaire Republican donor Peter Thiel expressed disappointment with former President Donald Trump’s time in office, remarking that the administration failed to meet even his “low expectations.”
During an interview with The Atlantic’s Barton Gellman, Thiel said “voting for Trump was like a not very articulate scream for help,” which he hoped would change the country for the better, but which ultimately left him disappointed and “disenchanted.”
“There are a lot of things I got wrong,” Thiel told Gellman. “It was crazier than I thought. It was more dangerous than I thought. They couldn’t get the most basic pieces of the government to work. So that was—I think that part was maybe worse than even my low expectations.”
****Thiel — who financially backed Trump in 2016 — revealed that Trump had recently called him to say “he was very sad” and “had expected way more” after Thiel refused to give the former president any money this election cycle.
“Months later, word got back to Thiel that Trump had called [Blake] Masters to discourage him from running for Senate again, and had called Thiel a ‘fucking scumbag,'”**** Gellman reported, adding that Thiel no longer wanted to make any donations to Republican candidates in the near future.
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GOP senators feel ambushed by Trump’s policy promises
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4332096-gop-senators-feel-ambushed-by-trumps-policy-promises/
... Trump is creating new political headaches for Republicans locked in a highly competitive battle to win back the Senate majority by making extreme statements on health care, immigration and other issues unlikely to play well with swing voters in key states.
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Trump shook up Republicans on Capitol Hill over the weekend by declaring that if elected president he would make another run at repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act.
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The comments posted on Trump’s media platform, Truth Social, caught GOP lawmakers off guard because they haven’t had any serious policy discussions recently about getting rid of the landmark health care law, and there’s no consensus within their party on how to replace it.
...Maybe they'll run on "repeal and replace" again?
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Former Speaker Ryan speaks.
Former Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan accused former President Donald Trump of being an "authoritarian narcissist," making him the latest party member to equate the former president to a dictator.
"Trump’s not a conservative,” Ryan said at a virtual event hosted by consulting firm Teneo on Wednesday. “He’s a populist, authoritarian narcissist. So, historically speaking, all of his tendencies are basically where narcissism takes him, which is whatever makes him popular, make him feel good at any given moment.”
“He thinks in an authoritarian way, and he’s been able to get a big chunk of the Republican base to follow him because he’s the culture warrior,” Ryan continued.
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I keep hearing "dictator," "authoritarian," and the like.
What, specifically, is he referring to?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I keep hearing "dictator," "authoritarian," and the like.
What, specifically, is he referring to?
@George-K You don't think that President Trump thinks in an authoritarian way - that he feels he should have ultimate power to do things and (probably) doesn't understand the limits on his power?
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@George-K You don't think that President Trump thinks in an authoritarian way - that he feels he should have ultimate power to do things and (probably) doesn't understand the limits on his power?
@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
You don't think that President Trump thinks in an authoritarian way - that he feels he should have ultimate power to do things and (probably) doesn't understand the limits on his power?
Of course I think that.
Now, show me what authoritarian, dictatorial policies he has established.
What he thinks and what he did are two different things. I mean it's not like he sic'ed the IRS after his political opponents or anything, is it? It's not like he unleashed the three-letter agencies to cripple rocket building, satellite launching, is it? It's not like he told the FBI to go after Catholics, is it?
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@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
You don't think that President Trump thinks in an authoritarian way - that he feels he should have ultimate power to do things and (probably) doesn't understand the limits on his power?
Of course I think that.
Now, show me what authoritarian, dictatorial policies he has established.
What he thinks and what he did are two different things. I mean it's not like he sic'ed the IRS after his political opponents or anything, is it? It's not like he unleashed the three-letter agencies to cripple rocket building, satellite launching, is it? It's not like he told the FBI to go after Catholics, is it?
@George-K Good points. But I do think that this thinking does "cloud" his decision making.
Do agree with the rest of what Speaker Ryan said about President Trump?
(EDIT to say: It amazes me the sheer number of high ranking people who worked closely with President Trump, and after working with him, feel he is unfit to be President again)
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@George-K Good points. But I do think that this thinking does "cloud" his decision making.
Do agree with the rest of what Speaker Ryan said about President Trump?
(EDIT to say: It amazes me the sheer number of high ranking people who worked closely with President Trump, and after working with him, feel he is unfit to be President again)
@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Do agree with the rest of what Speaker Ryan said about President Trump?
Yes, I do. But being, in Ryan's words, "an authoritarian narcissist" is not the same thing as governing that way.
As the old saw goes, "Don't pay attention to what politicians say, pay attention to what they do."
And for the record, I think Trump is a horrible odious creature.
When he announced in 2012 (!), I called him a buffoon.
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@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Do agree with the rest of what Speaker Ryan said about President Trump?
Yes, I do. But being, in Ryan's words, "an authoritarian narcissist" is not the same thing as governing that way.
As the old saw goes, "Don't pay attention to what politicians say, pay attention to what they do."
And for the record, I think Trump is a horrible odious creature.
When he announced in 2012 (!), I called him a buffoon.
@George-K said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Yes, I do. But being, in Ryan's words, "an authoritarian narcissist" is not the same thing as governing that way.
I disagree a little bit. The way he governs will for sure be guided by being an "authoritarian narcissist". He may not be able to do everything he wants to do, but that does not mean he will not try.
President Putin stroke his ego. "Oh, President Putin is not such a bad guy. I have met with him personally. He told me he would stop after taking over Ukraine. I believe him. After all, Ukraine was part of Soviet Union for a long time. There are many people who want to be united with Russia"
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@George-K said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Yes, I do. But being, in Ryan's words, "an authoritarian narcissist" is not the same thing as governing that way.
I disagree a little bit. The way he governs will for sure be guided by being an "authoritarian narcissist". He may not be able to do everything he wants to do, but that does not mean he will not try.
President Putin stroke his ego. "Oh, President Putin is not such a bad guy. I have met with him personally. He told me he would stop after taking over Ukraine. I believe him. After all, Ukraine was part of Soviet Union for a long time. There are many people who want to be united with Russia"
etc
etc@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
President Putin stroke his ego. "Oh, President Putin is not such a bad guy. I have met with him personally. He told me he would stop after taking over Ukraine. I believe him. After all, Ukraine was part of Soviet Union for a long time. There are many people who want to be united with Russia"
You're drifting from the conversation. I disagree with Trump's assessment of Putin. He's probably not as flexible as he could be since that was his last election...
But I digress.
What ACTS has he done that are authoritarian? Whom has he shot? Whom has he imprisoned? I don't see tanks rolling down State Street. Also, what people (specifically the likes of the clowns on Morning Joe) fear do not reflect, at all, what his term looked like 2016-2020.
This is all designed to make people afraid, and the people fanning the flames have a visceral hatred of Trump. Not because of what he's done, but because of who he is.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
