Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss
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Is GOP’s ‘big tent” shrinking?
Is there room in the GOP for traditional Republicans?Because it’s hard to get more conservative than [Liz] Cheney … Her involvement in congressional hearings investigating the [Jan. 6 Capitol] riot and her decision to vote to impeach Trump after that Jan. 6 did not endear her to the party faithful.
Do traditional conservatives like the Cheneys, Bushes and Romneys still have a home in the GOP? Or is Trumpism the new standard moving forward?
…@Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Do traditional conservatives like the Cheneys, Bushes and Romneys
I've been assured that Romney (why did they use the plural?) is not a real conservative.
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@Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Do traditional conservatives like the Cheneys, Bushes and Romneys
I've been assured that Romney (why did they use the plural?) is not a real conservative.
@George-K said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Do traditional conservatives like the Cheneys, Bushes and Romneys
I've been assured that Romney (why did they use the plural?) is not a real conservative.
I suppose you can also question whether G.W. Bush is a real conservative seeing that he further qualified his conservatism as “compassionate conservatism.”
So, what say you, should these perhaps-not-quite-real conservatives[*] Mitt Romney and G.W. Bush still consider the present GOP their political home?
[*] Of course, there are also circles that question whether Donald Trump qualifies as a “real conservative”. I suppose that’s part of the op-ed series’ larger exploration about what flavors of “conservatism” are welcome or unwelcome in today’s GOP.
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Trump’s rally schedule slows as GOP sees narrowing demand for his help
Former president Donald Trump isn’t expected to return to some key battlegrounds as other surrogates abound and his rallies don’t draw the crowds he used to doNot clear yet if this means Trump’s strangle hold on the GOP is waning.
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The world's Greatest Living American is starting to lose his power base?
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Interesting read from the RWEC.
So Long, and Thanks for All the Judges
-Stephen Green
Gut-check time: Donald Trump is now 0-4 in elections held since his big win in 2016, and he could go 0-5 if his man Herschel Walker loses the Georgia runoff in December.
There’s enough blame to go around, this isn’t all on The Donald. All the Washington leadership failed us. A few state legislatures probably moved too far, too quickly after the Dobbs decision, scaring largely pro-choice GenZ young adults to vote in defiance of the polls.
But as the de facto party head, Trump can’t escape his share of the blame. So it’s my unpleasant duty to examine the rot at the top.
Trump’s man in Pennsylvania, a TV celebrity doctor of questionable ethics, lost to a stroke victim who can barely speak. Yes, there was cheating in Philly — there’s always cheating in Philly. That didn’t stop Trump from winning Pennsylvania in 2016, and it wouldn’t have stopped any other GOP candidate against John Fetterman, except for Trump’s hand-picked candidate, Dr. Mehmet Oz.
Despite rising wages, energy independence, and no new wars, Trump lost the House in 2018. He lost the White House two years later the Senate in Georgia’s double-runoff the next January, and his slate of Senate candidates underperformed on Tuesday night.
There’s been so much losing, I’m tired of all the losing.
In fact, Trump’s only winning Senate pick — Ohio’s J.D. Vance — tacitly disavowed Trump’s endorsement during his victory speech.
Maybe Vance is an ingrate, maybe he’s being a sharp operator. Only time will tell.
But Trump’s behavior has been just too toxic since the 2020 election. Granted, what the Dems did to him for four years and especially during the election gives Trump every right to be angry. But it’s caused him to make some questionable decisions as the leader.
Apparently, he raised tens of millions for this cycle but spent very little of it on campaigns, in part because he spent “91 cents to raise every dollar, according to the latest filings with the Federal Election Commission.”
That’s unacceptable.
So is this:
O’Dea might not have been a Trump Republican, but he would have been head and shoulders better than that empty suit, Democrat Michael Bennet, who has been one of my senators for far too long already.
And what an unnecessary insult to the conservative voters of Colorado, who did what we could to help O’Dea against nearly impossible odds.
If you still want Trumpism, MAGA, and all that, fine. So do I.
But we won’t get it from Trump.
We won’t get it from Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy (I’ll have more to say about him in a later column), or any of the swamp creatures who still sit on all-too-comfy perches at the top of the GOP.
Here’s some solid advice from Kurt Schlichter:
I’d add this:
’ll always be grateful to Trump for showing the GOP how to fight, and particularly for the slate of justices and judges he and McConnell pushed in such numbers through the Senate.
But those wins are forever ago in political time, and there have just been too many unaccountable losses in between.
Once again, if GOP primary voters select Trump as the nominee, he’ll have my full support. But for all the reasons I’ve just given you, I don’t expect him to make the comeback I once hoped he would.
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Interesting read from the RWEC.
So Long, and Thanks for All the Judges
-Stephen Green
Gut-check time: Donald Trump is now 0-4 in elections held since his big win in 2016, and he could go 0-5 if his man Herschel Walker loses the Georgia runoff in December.
There’s enough blame to go around, this isn’t all on The Donald. All the Washington leadership failed us. A few state legislatures probably moved too far, too quickly after the Dobbs decision, scaring largely pro-choice GenZ young adults to vote in defiance of the polls.
But as the de facto party head, Trump can’t escape his share of the blame. So it’s my unpleasant duty to examine the rot at the top.
Trump’s man in Pennsylvania, a TV celebrity doctor of questionable ethics, lost to a stroke victim who can barely speak. Yes, there was cheating in Philly — there’s always cheating in Philly. That didn’t stop Trump from winning Pennsylvania in 2016, and it wouldn’t have stopped any other GOP candidate against John Fetterman, except for Trump’s hand-picked candidate, Dr. Mehmet Oz.
Despite rising wages, energy independence, and no new wars, Trump lost the House in 2018. He lost the White House two years later the Senate in Georgia’s double-runoff the next January, and his slate of Senate candidates underperformed on Tuesday night.
There’s been so much losing, I’m tired of all the losing.
In fact, Trump’s only winning Senate pick — Ohio’s J.D. Vance — tacitly disavowed Trump’s endorsement during his victory speech.
Maybe Vance is an ingrate, maybe he’s being a sharp operator. Only time will tell.
But Trump’s behavior has been just too toxic since the 2020 election. Granted, what the Dems did to him for four years and especially during the election gives Trump every right to be angry. But it’s caused him to make some questionable decisions as the leader.
Apparently, he raised tens of millions for this cycle but spent very little of it on campaigns, in part because he spent “91 cents to raise every dollar, according to the latest filings with the Federal Election Commission.”
That’s unacceptable.
So is this:
O’Dea might not have been a Trump Republican, but he would have been head and shoulders better than that empty suit, Democrat Michael Bennet, who has been one of my senators for far too long already.
And what an unnecessary insult to the conservative voters of Colorado, who did what we could to help O’Dea against nearly impossible odds.
If you still want Trumpism, MAGA, and all that, fine. So do I.
But we won’t get it from Trump.
We won’t get it from Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy (I’ll have more to say about him in a later column), or any of the swamp creatures who still sit on all-too-comfy perches at the top of the GOP.
Here’s some solid advice from Kurt Schlichter:
I’d add this:
’ll always be grateful to Trump for showing the GOP how to fight, and particularly for the slate of justices and judges he and McConnell pushed in such numbers through the Senate.
But those wins are forever ago in political time, and there have just been too many unaccountable losses in between.
Once again, if GOP primary voters select Trump as the nominee, he’ll have my full support. But for all the reasons I’ve just given you, I don’t expect him to make the comeback I once hoped he would.
@George-K Interesting article.
One of the things in the headline and I think that @jolly has brought up when talking about what is believed to be positives for Presdient Trump is the # of judges done by him.
It is interesting that President Biden has actually appointed MORE judges than President Trump at equal times of their president cycle
"President Joe Biden is outpacing his predecessor in the number of federal judge appointees installed during his tenure.
As of Sept. 20, Biden had notched 83 federal judges confirmed by the Senate. At this point in his presidency, Donald Trump had 69 appointees confirmed, according to NBC News. If continued at this pace, Biden is on track to beat Trump's historic number of appointees."
That could obvisouly slow down if the Republicans win the Senate.
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"Trump's call to suspend Constitution not a 2024 deal-breaker, House Republican says"
It seems some Republicans are still very timid about saying anything that may go against Trump, to the point where they would choose Trump over the Constitution if it comes down to Trump or the Constitution. :man-shrugging:
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@jon-nyc said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
As would a few tens of millions of American “patriots”.
The difference may be that some of these "patriots" you refer to truly do not believe that what Trump does is unconstitutional and would defend Trump on that ground, while the Republican cited two posts above seems to realize that what Trump does is unconstitutional, would not defend Trump, but seeks to overlook the transgression entirely. In some sense, the former maybe truly ignorant, the later willfully feigns it.
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Senate Republicans confront their problems after poor election showing
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/07/politics/trump-republicans-georgia-senate-race/index.html
"... Trump obsession is very bad for Republicans," says retiring GOP Senator Pat Toomey.
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Post 2022 election underperformance, the GOP may be rethinking its resistance against mail-in voting and early voting.
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Trump's support among the Republicans is eroding.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/22/trump-south-carolina-campaign/
Trump is having trouble consolidating support in South Carolina. GOP donors/activists there are split supporting Gov. Nikki Haley and Sen. Tim Scott.
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https://politicalwire.com/2023/02/05/koch-network-may-move-against-trump/
The Koch network will oppose Trump in the 2024 GOO primary.
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/02/09/gop-trump-2024-election-00081944
The GOP Is Starting to Plot Against Donald Trump
Republican Party donors and leaders are talking about how best to stop Trump from running away with the nomination again in 2024. But they don’t have a clear plan to stop him.... Eric Levine, a top GOP fundraiser who has been calling on the party to move on from Trump since the 2020 election and the uprising at the Capitol. “He is a metastasizing cancer who if he is not stopped is going to destroy the party. Donald Trump is a loser. He is the first president since Hoover to lose the House, the Senate and the presidency in a single term. ..."
“I don’t see a big bunch of donors coming behind Trump at this point,” said Andy Sabin, a metal mogul who gave over $100,000 to Trump over the years and who opened his Hamptons estate for a Trump fundraiser in 2019. “I wouldn’t give Trump a fucking nickel, and that hasn’t changed. As we get closer Trump is going to see the handwriting on the wall. Now, he may not care if he fucks everybody up. Trump worries only about Trump, so he may not care if we lose as long as he has his day in the park, but I don’t know any donor that wants to give a red nickel to Trump.”
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/02/09/gop-trump-2024-election-00081944
The GOP Is Starting to Plot Against Donald Trump
Republican Party donors and leaders are talking about how best to stop Trump from running away with the nomination again in 2024. But they don’t have a clear plan to stop him.... Eric Levine, a top GOP fundraiser who has been calling on the party to move on from Trump since the 2020 election and the uprising at the Capitol. “He is a metastasizing cancer who if he is not stopped is going to destroy the party. Donald Trump is a loser. He is the first president since Hoover to lose the House, the Senate and the presidency in a single term. ..."
“I don’t see a big bunch of donors coming behind Trump at this point,” said Andy Sabin, a metal mogul who gave over $100,000 to Trump over the years and who opened his Hamptons estate for a Trump fundraiser in 2019. “I wouldn’t give Trump a fucking nickel, and that hasn’t changed. As we get closer Trump is going to see the handwriting on the wall. Now, he may not care if he fucks everybody up. Trump worries only about Trump, so he may not care if we lose as long as he has his day in the park, but I don’t know any donor that wants to give a red nickel to Trump.”
...@Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/02/09/gop-trump-2024-election-00081944
The GOP Is Starting to Plot Against Donald Trump
He is (self) damaged goods. This doesn't surprise me at all.
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The pill says DeSantis lead Trump, but Trump will win the nomination if there is just one additional candidate entering the field and splitting the vote.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/18/michigan-gop-chair-karamo-trump/
LANSING, Mich. — Republicans here, reeling from a midterm election rout that many blamed on the influence of former president Donald Trump, responded Saturday by spurning the former president’s choice for state party chair — and choosing someone even more extreme.
Kristina Karamo, who refused to concede her 14-point loss for secretary of state in 2022, beat former attorney general candidate Matt DePerno, who had Trump’s endorsement, in three rounds of contentious voting. The chaotic 11-hour convention, featuring a rowdy standoff over voting procedures and 10 candidates who all ran under a pro-Trump banner, left no doubt that the bulk of the party’s activists in this key battleground state remain firmly committed to election denial and showed no interest in moderating their message to appeal to the political center.
“Conceding to a fraudulent person is agreeing with the fraud, which I will not do,” Karamo said to cheers in her campaign speech on Saturday.
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