Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss
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@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
President Putin stroke his ego. "Oh, President Putin is not such a bad guy. I have met with him personally. He told me he would stop after taking over Ukraine. I believe him. After all, Ukraine was part of Soviet Union for a long time. There are many people who want to be united with Russia"
You're drifting from the conversation. I disagree with Trump's assessment of Putin. He's probably not as flexible as he could be since that was his last election...
But I digress.
What ACTS has he done that are authoritarian? Whom has he shot? Whom has he imprisoned? I don't see tanks rolling down State Street. Also, what people (specifically the likes of the clowns on Morning Joe) fear do not reflect, at all, what his term looked like 2016-2020.
This is all designed to make people afraid, and the people fanning the flames have a visceral hatred of Trump. Not because of what he's done, but because of who he is.
What ACTS has he done that are authoritarian?
On a macro level, none; although it’s safe to say that the jury is still out on his actions following the last election. It’s a testament to the robust strength of American institutions that he remained fettered and at times, tethered for the four years he held office.
On a micro level, I don’t know where to begin. Perhaps the memoirs of and interviews with his many former staffers are a good start. Then there’s his exhaustive archive of Twitter posts and quotations from his speeches and press conferences. Trump’s performance as a statesman and manager is by no means stellar or remotely ethical.
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“The authoritarian wants us to lose our faith in our ears and our eyes, what we read and what we observe, so that we can be more dependent on him. Reality is what I say it is."
President Trump is an authoritarian. To me, there is not doubt about it. I had called him a nationalist populist before, but maybe authoritarian is maybe better.
Has he been able to implement everything what he wants? At the moment no. But how well (or how many) of the Republican party stood up to him in the last six years? How many are willing to stand up to him in the upcoming six years, especially if he wins the president election?
Are you comfortable that there are sidelines in place to keep President Trump in place if he wins the next president election? If the answer is yes, then you should be comfortable that there are sidelines in place to keep President Biden from doing anything that he should not.
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“The authoritarian wants us to lose our faith in our ears and our eyes, what we read and what we observe, so that we can be more dependent on him. Reality is what I say it is."
President Trump is an authoritarian. To me, there is not doubt about it. I had called him a nationalist populist before, but maybe authoritarian is maybe better.
Has he been able to implement everything what he wants? At the moment no. But how well (or how many) of the Republican party stood up to him in the last six years? How many are willing to stand up to him in the upcoming six years, especially if he wins the president election?
Are you comfortable that there are sidelines in place to keep President Trump in place if he wins the next president election? If the answer is yes, then you should be comfortable that there are sidelines in place to keep President Biden from doing anything that he should not.
@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Are you comfortable that there are sidelines in place to keep President Trump in place if he wins the next president election? If the answer is yes, then you should be comfortable that there are sidelines in place to keep President Biden from doing anything that he should not.
Your assumption is that these "sidelines" are fair and unbiased.
If I had to guess, and it's just a guess, there are many more GOP members who would be happy to kneecap Trump than Dems who would kneecap Biden.
Right (former) Reps Cheney, Ryan and Kissinger?
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@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Are you comfortable that there are sidelines in place to keep President Trump in place if he wins the next president election? If the answer is yes, then you should be comfortable that there are sidelines in place to keep President Biden from doing anything that he should not.
Your assumption is that these "sidelines" are fair and unbiased.
If I had to guess, and it's just a guess, there are many more GOP members who would be happy to kneecap Trump than Dems who would kneecap Biden.
Right (former) Reps Cheney, Ryan and Kissinger?
@George-K said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Right (former) Reps Cheney, Ryan and Kissinger?
Exactly. What happened when they tried to stand up to President Trump?
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@George-K said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Right (former) Reps Cheney, Ryan and Kissinger?
Exactly. What happened when they tried to stand up to President Trump?
@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@George-K said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Right (former) Reps Cheney, Ryan and Kissinger?
Exactly. What happened when they tried to stand up to President Trump?
They all resigned or lost their elections (though not Ryan, probably).
But, returning to the question I've been asking, what authoritarian polices, procedures, etc did Trump enact during his term? You still haven't answered my question. Rather you're saying "What if???"
Again, he's a horrible odious person full of bluster, hyperbole.
But, what did he actually DO (not say) that was authoritarian? Did he target abortion protestors? Did he try to kneecap Starlink, SpaceX?
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I would refer back to @Renauda post. Kind of "cop out" but he speaks better than I.
(But I do think he is an authoritarian, and the fact that he has not implemented (many) policies yet that show this is probably not because he hasn't tried)
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During the earlier closed-door GOP meeting, McConnell told colleagues that Trump does not want a deal on immigration restrictions so he can use the issue in the presidential campaign — remarks that left some Senate Republicans paralyzed Thursday over where to go next.
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Why haven’t Republicans unified to stop Trump? Because they can’t.
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Republicans are stuck with Trump because their party has been unable to overcome its collective action problem.
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For nine years now, they’ve known that they’d all be better off with Trump gone but also that anyone who tried to make that happen would risk the anger of his voters. So individual politicians keep retreating to the same playbook: stay quiet on the sidelines in hopes that fate will intervene or that someone else will muster the courage to take him out. This is both morally derelict and ineffective.
...In the same op-ed she also talks about why the Democrats are stuck with Biden:
... They are stuck with President Biden because he’s stuck with the charmless and inept vice president he chose four years ago for reasons of coalitional politics. For the same reasons, she cannot be replaced with someone who could easily beat Donald Trump.
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I disagree with the second paragraph. The Democrats need to replace VP Harris, but who it would be, I dont know.
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https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/12/trump-running-mate-vice-president-republicans-racism
“I just love you!” Tim Scott bleated at Donald Trump.
That, and many other examples of elected Republicans who formerly criticized or ran against Trump now changing their tunes professing support and loyalty to Trump.
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https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/12/trump-running-mate-vice-president-republicans-racism
“I just love you!” Tim Scott bleated at Donald Trump.
That, and many other examples of elected Republicans who formerly criticized or ran against Trump now changing their tunes professing support and loyalty to Trump.
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@George-K Do we believe them then or do we believe them now? Or neither? LOL
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@George-K Do we believe them then or do we believe them now? Or neither? LOL
@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@George-K Do we believe them then or do we believe them now? Or neither? LOL
Never, ever believe what a politician says.
Note what s/he does.
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I keep hearing "dictator," "authoritarian," and the like.
What, specifically, is he referring to?
@George-K said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
I keep hearing "dictator," "authoritarian," and the like.
What, specifically, is he referring to?
So, historically speaking, all of his tendencies are basically where narcissism takes him, which is whatever makes him popular, make him feel good at any given moment.”
Is he wrong?
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Former Rep. David Jolly (Fla.), who served in the House as a Republican but later left the party, accused members of his former party of being apologists for former President Trump amid mounting scrutiny over his recent remarks on NATO.
“I think there’s a unique shamefulness to see [Rep.] Mike Turner [R-Ohio], [Sen.] Tim Scott [R-S.C.], [Sen.] Lindsey Graham [R-S.C.] and others engage in this type of apologism if you will, for their own political interest. To faceplate on the knee of Donald Trump, they do it very well, from Graham to Scott to Mike Turner to [Rep.] Elise Stefanik [R-N.Y.]…name ’em,” Jolly said
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Mike Pence will not endorse Trump for 2024:
https://apnews.com/article/pence-trump-endorsement-c05ffad1e20381fed3cfc87b7071ba4c
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Wait a second. Wait a second.
@Axtremus , by posting that article, are you say that there is someone who worked very very closely with President Trump on a daily basis, who saw first hand his decision making and abilities, and this person does not think he should be president????!!!!!!!
Wow!!!!
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Wait a second. Wait a second.
@Axtremus , by posting that article, are you say that there is someone who worked very very closely with President Trump on a daily basis, who saw first hand his decision making and abilities, and this person does not think he should be president????!!!!!!!
Wow!!!!
@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Wow!!!!
He must be endorsing Mr. Biden.
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“The best thing going for Donald Trump running for president is that he’s running against [President] Joe Biden, about whom many people also have reservations. And frankly, that]s why people are considering third parties. So it’s a sorry state of affairs,” the senator added.
Despite his criticism of Biden, Cassidy wouldn’t commit to endorsing Trump,
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Honey, We Shrunk the GOP Majority
Democrats are lapping Republicans in this year’s election fund-raising, and could that be because GOP donors are wondering what they get for their money? Donors, both small-dollar and large, helped Republicans retake the House in 2022, and all they’ve received in return is a majority that revels in operating like a functional minority.
Their departures take the GOP majority down to 217-213, which means the party is a heart attack and absences or flipped votes away from putting Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries in charge. In some sense Mr. Jeffries already is in charge. Speaker Mike Johnson can’t pass legislation the usual way through the Rules Committee and then onto the floor with a simple majority. Every sensible majority that wants to govern packs the Rules Committee with Speaker loyalists. Not this crowd.
The anti-governing wing of the House GOP insisted on three of their own for Rules as one price of voting for Kevin McCarthy as Speaker in January 2023. They refuse to vote for Mr. Johnson’s inevitable compromises with Senate Democrats, so Mr. Johnson has to move legislation via the suspension calendar, which requires a two-thirds vote to pass anything. This means he needs Democratic votes, and a lot of them, because Republicans prefer to make futile gestures of opposition rather than vote to fund the government.
The practical effect is to reduce Republican leverage in a divided government and make it harder to achieve conservative policy victories. But then the same Members who undercut the majority boast on the House floor and social media that they are the only honest conservatives in Washington. They’re posers masquerading as principled, and they’re treating the voters at home like rubes.
Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s motion Friday to oust Mr. Johnson as Speaker exposes the deception behind the coup against Mr. McCarthy. After we criticized that October coup as destructive and self-serving, Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz wrote us a letter saying that in electing Mr. Johnson the GOP now had a real conservative as leader.
So what’s wrong with Mr. Johnson now? Apparently because he’s not willing to indulge kamikaze acts like shutting down the government, Mr. Johnson is a sellout too.
Conservatives have long had a strong anti-Washington impulse, which is useful given the federal government’s relentless drive to expand its own power. But breaking that drive, and rolling back that power, requires calculation and often incremental gains. All the more so in a divided government.
The posers of the House GOP remind us of a comment by former Sen. Jim DeMint that he’d rather have 30 Senators who agreed with him than a Republican majority. Congratulations to Mr. DeMint. The current House GOP is close to realizing his ambition.
