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We are for human rights again!

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  • L Offline
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    Loki
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    Hilarious that CNN is suddenly obsessed with China. Something well known to be more important than Russia for ages.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/26/economy/china-xi-economy-intl-hnk/

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      https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/in-first-call-with-chinas-xi-biden-stresses-us-commitment-to-allies-and-human-rights/2021/02/10/6cb6f0fa-6c01-11eb-ba56-d7e2c8defa31_story.html

      In first call with China’s Xi, Biden stresses U.S. commitment to allies and human rights

      President Biden will not immediately drop tariffs on China that were applied by former president Donald Trump, and he and told Chinese President Xi Jinping on Wednesday that the United States will seek to counter Chinese military expansionism and human rights abuses, White House officials said.
      ...
      “President Biden underscored his fundamental concerns about Beijing’s coercive and unfair economic practices, crackdown in Hong Kong, human rights abuses in Xinjiang, and increasingly assertive actions in the region, including toward Taiwan,” the White House statement said.
      ...

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        Jolly
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        It's all about semantics.

        Trump put children in cages, letting them sleep on concrete floors with a blanket. He abused children, according to the media and many in Congress.

        Biden is putting children in cages, letting them sleep on concrete floors with a blanket. He is doing this, because he cares for these poor children, according to the media and many in Congress.

        Joe's tough on China policy is toothless. But it's nice words...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          George K
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          China is an ally, don't you know?

          alt text

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            It's all about semantics.

            Trump put children in cages, letting them sleep on concrete floors with a blanket. He abused children, according to the media and many in Congress.

            Biden is putting children in cages, letting them sleep on concrete floors with a blanket. He is doing this, because he cares for these poor children, according to the media and many in Congress.

            Joe's tough on China policy is toothless. But it's nice words...

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            taiwan_girl
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            @jolly said in We are for human rights again!:

            Joe's tough on China policy is toothless. But it's nice words...

            So far, how has what President Biden has said and done in regards to China different than what President Trump said and did?

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              U.S. ship sails in South China Sea by China-claimed islands
              https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-usa-china-fonop/u-s-ship-sails-in-south-china-sea-by-china-claimed-islands-idUSKBN2AH0J7

              “(Reuters) - A U.S. Navy warship sailed by islands claimed by China in the South China Sea on Wednesday in a freedom of navigation operation, marking the latest move by Washington to challenge Beijing’s territorial claims in the contested waters.
              ...”

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                U.S. ship sails in South China Sea by China-claimed islands
                https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-usa-china-fonop/u-s-ship-sails-in-south-china-sea-by-china-claimed-islands-idUSKBN2AH0J7

                “(Reuters) - A U.S. Navy warship sailed by islands claimed by China in the South China Sea on Wednesday in a freedom of navigation operation, marking the latest move by Washington to challenge Beijing’s territorial claims in the contested waters.
                ...”

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                Jolly
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                @axtremus said in We are for human rights again!:

                U.S. ship sails in South China Sea by China-claimed islands
                https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-usa-china-fonop/u-s-ship-sails-in-south-china-sea-by-china-claimed-islands-idUSKBN2AH0J7

                “(Reuters) - A U.S. Navy warship sailed by islands claimed by China in the South China Sea on Wednesday in a freedom of navigation operation, marking the latest move by Washington to challenge Beijing’s territorial claims in the contested waters.
                ...”

                Nothing new. We've been operating in the area.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/17/world/asia/us-china-biden.html

                  U.S. Punishes 24 Chinese Officials on Eve of First Talks Under Biden
                  Setting a confrontational tone ahead of meetings in Alaska, the United States punished Chinese officials involved in eroding democracy in Hong Kong.

                  The United States punished 24 Chinese officials on Wednesday for undermining Hong Kong’s democratic freedoms, acting days before the first scheduled meeting of senior Chinese and American diplomats since President Biden took office.

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                    #13

                    And the US recently agreed to sell submarine parts to Taiwan.

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                      Loki
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                      #14

                      How’s it going with human rights in Iran? Is that part of the negotiations that may happen?

                      I think they have a worse ranking than China by many measures.

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                        Jolly
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                        We're for human rights, but we won't allow anybody - even elected Republicans - to tour border detention facilities...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/22/us-allies-sanctions-china-uighers-genocide-477434

                          U.S., allies announce sanctions on China over Uyghur ‘genocide’
                          The Biden administration is working with Canada and Europe to put human rights pressure on Beijing.

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            And the US recently agreed to sell submarine parts to Taiwan.

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                            @taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

                            And the US recently agreed to sell submarine parts to Taiwan.

                            Now Taiwan needs submarines to put them in.

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                            • CopperC Copper

                              @taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

                              And the US recently agreed to sell submarine parts to Taiwan.

                              Now Taiwan needs submarines to put them in.

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                              taiwan_girl
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                              @copper said in We are for human rights again!:

                              @taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

                              And the US recently agreed to sell submarine parts to Taiwan.

                              Now Taiwan needs submarines to put them in.

                              Yup, building now, and expected to be ready in 2024 or 2025.

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                                Rainman
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                                I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

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                                • RainmanR Rainman

                                  I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

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                                  @rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

                                  fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines.

                                  Yup

                                  ![alt text](1e56d979-64e2-424b-90bf-30d80342cd7e-image.png image url)

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                                  • RainmanR Rainman

                                    I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

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                                    @rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

                                    I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

                                    I am pretty sure you are correct. But the Taiwan submarines will also be used in the South China Sea and also to prevent any possible blockade of Taiwan.

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                                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                      @rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

                                      I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

                                      I am pretty sure you are correct. But the Taiwan submarines will also be used in the South China Sea and also to prevent any possible blockade of Taiwan.

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                                      @taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

                                      @rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

                                      I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

                                      I am pretty sure you are correct. But the Taiwan submarines will also be used in the South China Sea and also to prevent any possible blockade of Taiwan.

                                      Of course hope it doesn't come to that. Not sure what the Biden administration would do. And, not sure our military could keep it from happening.
                                      TG, do you think the CCP will attempt to take over Taiwan as they did Hong Kong? You have probably been asked that question, sorry if it is a repeat.

                                      I would love to visit Taiwan. I've seen so many pictures, it's beautiful.

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                                      • RainmanR Rainman

                                        @taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

                                        @rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

                                        I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

                                        I am pretty sure you are correct. But the Taiwan submarines will also be used in the South China Sea and also to prevent any possible blockade of Taiwan.

                                        Of course hope it doesn't come to that. Not sure what the Biden administration would do. And, not sure our military could keep it from happening.
                                        TG, do you think the CCP will attempt to take over Taiwan as they did Hong Kong? You have probably been asked that question, sorry if it is a repeat.

                                        I would love to visit Taiwan. I've seen so many pictures, it's beautiful.

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                                        @rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

                                        @taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

                                        @rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

                                        I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

                                        I am pretty sure you are correct. But the Taiwan submarines will also be used in the South China Sea and also to prevent any possible blockade of Taiwan.

                                        Of course hope it doesn't come to that. Not sure what the Biden administration would do. And, not sure our military could keep it from happening.
                                        TG, do you think the CCP will attempt to take over Taiwan as they did Hong Kong? You have probably been asked that question, sorry if it is a repeat.

                                        I would love to visit Taiwan. I've seen so many pictures, it's beautiful.

                                        I am less confident than I was a while before unfortunately. I do think that they will continue to apply pressure. So far, the US is saying the right things (at least from the Taiwan perspective).

                                        I believe that China will have pretty big internal problems in the next 50 years or so. The time of driving the economy through cheap factories, etc. is coming to a close.

                                        Cheap labour is moving elsewhere, but at the same time, the "demographic" of China is in bad shape - growing much older much quicker than other countries have seen, and I dont think that they are prepared for that.

                                        The best way of distracting unrest from within, is to focus on external things - the West, HK, Taiwan, etc. Blaming the outside is a good way to minimize unrest on the inside. Already in China, they are printing up T-shirts, etc with comments that the ChinA foreign minister made in Alaska - for example, "do not interfere in internal China affairs"

                                        China has to be very careful, as I believe that they have lost some popularity world wide, but more specific in SE Asia. For example, I saw a memo from MOFA directed to Taiwanese factories in Myanmar to emphasize to them to emphasize that they are from Taiwan, and not China. There is a lot of anger in Myanmar towards mainland china right now. In Thailand, the Chinese vaccine has been bought, but alot of reluctance from people to take it.

                                        Anyway, Taiwan is a pretty country. A lot of people just think that it is all factories and industry. LOL But the eastern 2/3 of the country is very mountainous and natural. Hope you can come visit sometime.

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                                          @taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

                                          There is a lot of anger in Myanmar towards mainland china right now.

                                          Thanks TG, always enjoy reading your input.

                                          Have you ever been to Burma aka Myanmar? From what I have learned, it's a basket case

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