We are for human rights again!

[Jolly]

It's all about semantics.

Trump put children in cages, letting them sleep on concrete floors with a blanket. He abused children, according to the media and many in Congress.

Biden is putting children in cages, letting them sleep on concrete floors with a blanket. He is doing this, because he cares for these poor children, according to the media and many in Congress.

Joe's tough on China policy is toothless. But it's nice words...

[George K]

China is an ally, don't you know?

[taiwan_girl]

@jolly said in We are for human rights again!:

Joe's tough on China policy is toothless. But it's nice words...

So far, how has what President Biden has said and done in regards to China different than what President Trump said and did?

[Axtremus]

U.S. ship sails in South China Sea by China-claimed islands
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-usa-china-fonop/u-s-ship-sails-in-south-china-sea-by-china-claimed-islands-idUSKBN2AH0J7

“(Reuters) - A U.S. Navy warship sailed by islands claimed by China in the South China Sea on Wednesday in a freedom of navigation operation, marking the latest move by Washington to challenge Beijing’s territorial claims in the contested waters.
...”

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in We are for human rights again!:

U.S. ship sails in South China Sea by China-claimed islands
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-usa-china-fonop/u-s-ship-sails-in-south-china-sea-by-china-claimed-islands-idUSKBN2AH0J7

“(Reuters) - A U.S. Navy warship sailed by islands claimed by China in the South China Sea on Wednesday in a freedom of navigation operation, marking the latest move by Washington to challenge Beijing’s territorial claims in the contested waters.
...”

Nothing new. We've been operating in the area.

[Axtremus]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/17/world/asia/us-china-biden.html

U.S. Punishes 24 Chinese Officials on Eve of First Talks Under Biden
Setting a confrontational tone ahead of meetings in Alaska, the United States punished Chinese officials involved in eroding democracy in Hong Kong.

The United States punished 24 Chinese officials on Wednesday for undermining Hong Kong’s democratic freedoms, acting days before the first scheduled meeting of senior Chinese and American diplomats since President Biden took office.

[taiwan_girl]

And the US recently agreed to sell submarine parts to Taiwan.

[Loki]

How’s it going with human rights in Iran? Is that part of the negotiations that may happen?

I think they have a worse ranking than China by many measures.

[Jolly]

We're for human rights, but we won't allow anybody - even elected Republicans - to tour border detention facilities...

[Axtremus]

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/22/us-allies-sanctions-china-uighers-genocide-477434

U.S., allies announce sanctions on China over Uyghur ‘genocide’
The Biden administration is working with Canada and Europe to put human rights pressure on Beijing.

[Copper]

@taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

And the US recently agreed to sell submarine parts to Taiwan.

Now Taiwan needs submarines to put them in.

[taiwan_girl]

@copper said in We are for human rights again!:

@taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

And the US recently agreed to sell submarine parts to Taiwan.

Now Taiwan needs submarines to put them in.

Yup, building now, and expected to be ready in 2024 or 2025.

[Rainman]

I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

[Copper]

@rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines.

Yup


[taiwan_girl]

@rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

I am pretty sure you are correct. But the Taiwan submarines will also be used in the South China Sea and also to prevent any possible blockade of Taiwan.

[Rainman]

@taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

@rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

I am pretty sure you are correct. But the Taiwan submarines will also be used in the South China Sea and also to prevent any possible blockade of Taiwan.

Of course hope it doesn't come to that. Not sure what the Biden administration would do. And, not sure our military could keep it from happening.
TG, do you think the CCP will attempt to take over Taiwan as they did Hong Kong? You have probably been asked that question, sorry if it is a repeat.

I would love to visit Taiwan. I've seen so many pictures, it's beautiful.

[taiwan_girl]

@rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

@taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

@rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

I should go check, but isn't the strait of Taiwan fairly shallow, and not a good match for submarines. Thought I heard that somewhere.

I am pretty sure you are correct. But the Taiwan submarines will also be used in the South China Sea and also to prevent any possible blockade of Taiwan.

Of course hope it doesn't come to that. Not sure what the Biden administration would do. And, not sure our military could keep it from happening.
TG, do you think the CCP will attempt to take over Taiwan as they did Hong Kong? You have probably been asked that question, sorry if it is a repeat.

I would love to visit Taiwan. I've seen so many pictures, it's beautiful.

I am less confident than I was a while before unfortunately. I do think that they will continue to apply pressure. So far, the US is saying the right things (at least from the Taiwan perspective).

I believe that China will have pretty big internal problems in the next 50 years or so. The time of driving the economy through cheap factories, etc. is coming to a close.

Cheap labour is moving elsewhere, but at the same time, the "demographic" of China is in bad shape - growing much older much quicker than other countries have seen, and I dont think that they are prepared for that.

The best way of distracting unrest from within, is to focus on external things - the West, HK, Taiwan, etc. Blaming the outside is a good way to minimize unrest on the inside. Already in China, they are printing up T-shirts, etc with comments that the ChinA foreign minister made in Alaska - for example, "do not interfere in internal China affairs"

China has to be very careful, as I believe that they have lost some popularity world wide, but more specific in SE Asia. For example, I saw a memo from MOFA directed to Taiwanese factories in Myanmar to emphasize to them to emphasize that they are from Taiwan, and not China. There is a lot of anger in Myanmar towards mainland china right now. In Thailand, the Chinese vaccine has been bought, but alot of reluctance from people to take it.

Anyway, Taiwan is a pretty country. A lot of people just think that it is all factories and industry. LOL But the eastern 2/3 of the country is very mountainous and natural. Hope you can come visit sometime.

[Rainman]

@taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

There is a lot of anger in Myanmar towards mainland china right now.

Thanks TG, always enjoy reading your input.

Have you ever been to Burma aka Myanmar? From what I have learned, it's a basket case

[Jolly]

I think the question of China swallowing Taiwan is not if, but when?

[taiwan_girl]

@rainman said in We are for human rights again!:

@taiwan_girl said in We are for human rights again!:

There is a lot of anger in Myanmar towards mainland china right now.

Thanks TG, always enjoy reading your input.

Have you ever been to Burma aka Myanmar? From what I have learned, it's a basket case

Unfortunately no. I had a chance a year or so ago. We were working on a project that would help Yangoon, but it never got past discussion so I did not get to go. I agree, it is in deep problems for sure.