Hero Or Snitch?
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@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Also, if you're angrier at this kid than you are at the people beating policemen to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building, or kicking people in the head in Portland, then something's wrong.
Quite obviously that's something that should be seriously considered here.
@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Also, if you're angrier at this kid than you are at the people beating policemen to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building, or kicking people in the head in Portland, then something's wrong.
Quite obviously that's something that should be seriously considered here.
Something no one said here ever. What his father did after the fact cannot justify what this kid did.
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@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Also, if you're angrier at this kid than you are at the people beating policemen to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building, or kicking people in the head in Portland, then something's wrong.
Quite obviously that's something that should be seriously considered here.
Something no one said here ever. What his father did after the fact cannot justify what this kid did.
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Also, if you're angrier at this kid than you are at the people beating policemen to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building, or kicking people in the head in Portland, then something's wrong.
Quite obviously that's something that should be seriously considered here.
Something no one said here ever.
Didn't say they did.
What his father did after the fact cannot justify what this kid did.
I don't think the kid's a hero. My opinion on this is very much a "pull the goalie" kind of thing; I know it's ridiculous but it's what I think anyway: my take is, how bad were the father's motivations? For example, if he wanted to "stop Pelosi" or any nonsense like that, I'd need more details because I wouldn't automatically condemn the kid. If his principal motivation was to show up and support Trump, then I'd be much more willing to condemn the kid. I very much care about what the father intended. You probably find that immaterial but I do not.
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The kid's 16. The father's old enough to be a grown up.
It does actually matter.
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The kid's 16. The father's old enough to be a grown up.
It does actually matter.
@doctor-phibes The article said 18?
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@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass
No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.
@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass
No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.
So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?
No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.
I'm writing this as of reading Post #9, so forgive if I'm repeating something somebody else said.
I agree with Mik's statement. I'd like to know more about the family dynamics before I could answer Jolly's question. That does not sound like a harmonious family unit. If the kid had issues with daddy beforehand, that puts a different light on things . . . the mother doesn't sound like she has too tight a grip on reality, either.
The one thing you can believe is that as far as da ink goes, this puppy is golden!
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A police was killed in teh capital as well as the protestor lady. Makes it pretty serious to me.
@taiwan_girl said in Hero Or Snitch?:
A police was killed in teh capital as well as the protestor lady. Makes it pretty serious to me.
And over twenty people were killed last year in BLM and Antifa riots.
Your point?
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@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass
No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.
So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.I'm reflecting on the many warnings the feds got ahead of 9/11, and which they did not take seriously. Somebody sure as hell was "short-sighted" there, but it wasn't the people who tried to warn in advance -- including the two Israelis who flew to Washington for the express purpose.
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@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.I'm reflecting on the many warnings the feds got ahead of 9/11, and which they did not take seriously. Somebody sure as hell was "short-sighted" there, but it wasn't the people who tried to warn in advance -- including the two Israelis who flew to Washington for the express purpose.
@catseye3 said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.I'm reflecting on the many warnings the feds got ahead of 9/11, and which they did not take seriously. Somebody sure as hell was "short-sighted" there, but it wasn't the people who tried to warn in advance -- including the two Israelis who flew to Washington for the express purpose.
And what does that have to do with this kid?
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@catseye3 said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.I'm reflecting on the many warnings the feds got ahead of 9/11, and which they did not take seriously. Somebody sure as hell was "short-sighted" there, but it wasn't the people who tried to warn in advance -- including the two Israelis who flew to Washington for the express purpose.
And what does that have to do with this kid?
@jolly The kid supposedly warned about something that might happen, and you call the reaction "short-sighted". I'm saying in 9/11, the warnings were justified, and it was the feds who were short-sighted, and nobody has come forward to condemn those who tried to warn about 9/11.
I'm not endorsing what the kid did. But your comment that there was short-sightedness is unjustified.
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@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass
No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.
So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.No, I already laid out in detail how I think it should have been handled.
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@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass
No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.
So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass
No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.
So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.
There is not enough known about the kid, the dad, their motivations, and their actual intents to make any kind of judgment.
If the Oklahoma City Bomber had a kid and the kid reported the dad beforehand... Good job. If this kid was just embarrassed and frustrated because his dad embarrassed him because of his politics and the dad made some nebulous statement then the kid is an asshole.
There is a whole world in between those two positions, and the truth is that it probably falls somewhere in the middle and they are both idiots.
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Is it just conceivable that he is neither a hero nor a low-life scumbag?
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True, but this is family.
It's not like a conversation heard in a bar or some guy running his head at work.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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True, but this is family.
It's not like a conversation heard in a bar or some guy running his head at work.
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True, but this is family.
It's not like a conversation heard in a bar or some guy running his head at work.
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What do @Jolly and Michael Carleone have in common?
They both put FAMILY above LAW & ORDER!!!
@axtremus said in Hero Or Snitch?:
What do @Jolly and Michael Carleone have in common?
They both put FAMILY above LAW & ORDER!!!
I do. I place a very high emphasis on family. In this case...
Because I know much of the law is corrupt and applied unequally. Second, because AFAIK, there is no major crime involved.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
