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Hero Or Snitch?

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  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

    @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

    Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass

    No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.

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    Jolly
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    #34

    @aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:

    @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

    Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass

    No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.

    So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?

    How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Mik

      @aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:

      @mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:

      Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.

      The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.

      I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?

      No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.

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      Catseye3
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      #35

      @mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:

      No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.

      I'm writing this as of reading Post #9, so forgive if I'm repeating something somebody else said.

      I agree with Mik's statement. I'd like to know more about the family dynamics before I could answer Jolly's question. That does not sound like a harmonious family unit. If the kid had issues with daddy beforehand, that puts a different light on things . . . the mother doesn't sound like she has too tight a grip on reality, either.

      The one thing you can believe is that as far as da ink goes, this puppy is golden!

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

        A police was killed in teh capital as well as the protestor lady. Makes it pretty serious to me.

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        #36

        @taiwan_girl said in Hero Or Snitch?:

        A police was killed in teh capital as well as the protestor lady. Makes it pretty serious to me.

        And over twenty people were killed last year in BLM and Antifa riots.

        Your point?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          @aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:

          @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

          Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass

          No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.

          So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?

          How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.

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          Catseye3
          wrote on last edited by
          #37

          @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

          So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
          How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.

          I'm reflecting on the many warnings the feds got ahead of 9/11, and which they did not take seriously. Somebody sure as hell was "short-sighted" there, but it wasn't the people who tried to warn in advance -- including the two Israelis who flew to Washington for the express purpose.

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • Catseye3C Catseye3

            @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

            So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
            How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.

            I'm reflecting on the many warnings the feds got ahead of 9/11, and which they did not take seriously. Somebody sure as hell was "short-sighted" there, but it wasn't the people who tried to warn in advance -- including the two Israelis who flew to Washington for the express purpose.

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            Jolly
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            #38

            @catseye3 said in Hero Or Snitch?:

            @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

            So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
            How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.

            I'm reflecting on the many warnings the feds got ahead of 9/11, and which they did not take seriously. Somebody sure as hell was "short-sighted" there, but it wasn't the people who tried to warn in advance -- including the two Israelis who flew to Washington for the express purpose.

            And what does that have to do with this kid?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @catseye3 said in Hero Or Snitch?:

              @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

              So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
              How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.

              I'm reflecting on the many warnings the feds got ahead of 9/11, and which they did not take seriously. Somebody sure as hell was "short-sighted" there, but it wasn't the people who tried to warn in advance -- including the two Israelis who flew to Washington for the express purpose.

              And what does that have to do with this kid?

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              Catseye3
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              #39

              @jolly The kid supposedly warned about something that might happen, and you call the reaction "short-sighted". I'm saying in 9/11, the warnings were justified, and it was the feds who were short-sighted, and nobody has come forward to condemn those who tried to warn about 9/11.

              I'm not endorsing what the kid did. But your comment that there was short-sightedness is unjustified.

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass

                No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.

                So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?

                How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.

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                Aqua Letifer
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                #40

                @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?
                How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.

                No, I already laid out in detail how I think it should have been handled.

                Please love yourself.

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  @aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                  @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                  Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass

                  No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.

                  So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?

                  How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #41

                  @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                  @aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                  @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                  Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass

                  No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.

                  So, we need to destroy families on the possibility the guy may have done something?

                  How wonderful. And biased. And short-sighted.

                  There is not enough known about the kid, the dad, their motivations, and their actual intents to make any kind of judgment.

                  If the Oklahoma City Bomber had a kid and the kid reported the dad beforehand... Good job. If this kid was just embarrassed and frustrated because his dad embarrassed him because of his politics and the dad made some nebulous statement then the kid is an asshole.

                  There is a whole world in between those two positions, and the truth is that it probably falls somewhere in the middle and they are both idiots.

                  The Brad

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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    #42

                    Is it just conceivable that he is neither a hero nor a low-life scumbag?

                    I was only joking

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #43

                      I would say that is pretty close to the truth. If you will notice I have not argued for either label. I simply think the kid should not have made the call.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #44

                        True, but this is family.

                        It's not like a conversation heard in a bar or some guy running his head at work.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          True, but this is family.

                          It's not like a conversation heard in a bar or some guy running his head at work.

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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          #45

                          @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                          True, but this is family.

                          The Mansons were family, too.

                          I was only joking

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                            True, but this is family.

                            The Mansons were family, too.

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                            Catseye3
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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              True, but this is family.

                              It's not like a conversation heard in a bar or some guy running his head at work.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #47

                              @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                              True, but this is family.

                              That sounds like something Micheal Corleone would have said.

                              Elbows up!

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                                Axtremus
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                                #48

                                What do @Jolly and Michael Carleone have in common?

                                They both put FAMILY above LAW & ORDER!!!

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  What do @Jolly and Michael Carleone have in common?

                                  They both put FAMILY above LAW & ORDER!!!

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  @axtremus said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                  What do @Jolly and Michael Carleone have in common?

                                  They both put FAMILY above LAW & ORDER!!!

                                  I do. I place a very high emphasis on family. In this case...

                                  Because I know much of the law is corrupt and applied unequally. Second, because AFAIK, there is no major crime involved.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @axtremus said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                    What do @Jolly and Michael Carleone have in common?

                                    They both put FAMILY above LAW & ORDER!!!

                                    I do. I place a very high emphasis on family. In this case...

                                    Because I know much of the law is corrupt and applied unequally. Second, because AFAIK, there is no major crime involved.

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                                    Aqua Letifer
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                                    #50

                                    @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                    @axtremus said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                    What do @Jolly and Michael Carleone have in common?

                                    They both put FAMILY above LAW & ORDER!!!

                                    I do. I place a very high emphasis on family. In this case...

                                    Because I know much of the law is corrupt and applied unequally. Second, because AFAIK, there is no major crime involved.

                                    Your position would be completely different if you replaced "Trump rally" with "BLM rally."

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                      @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                      @axtremus said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                      What do @Jolly and Michael Carleone have in common?

                                      They both put FAMILY above LAW & ORDER!!!

                                      I do. I place a very high emphasis on family. In this case...

                                      Because I know much of the law is corrupt and applied unequally. Second, because AFAIK, there is no major crime involved.

                                      Your position would be completely different if you replaced "Trump rally" with "BLM rally."

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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #51

                                      @aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                      @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                      @axtremus said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                      What do @Jolly and Michael Carleone have in common?

                                      They both put FAMILY above LAW & ORDER!!!

                                      I do. I place a very high emphasis on family. In this case...

                                      Because I know much of the law is corrupt and applied unequally. Second, because AFAIK, there is no major crime involved.

                                      Your position would be completely different if you replaced "Trump rally" with "BLM rally."

                                      That is for sure.

                                      The snitch would have disappeared a long time ago, or perhaps just hung himself.

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                                      • CopperC Copper

                                        @aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                        @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                        @axtremus said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                        What do @Jolly and Michael Carleone have in common?

                                        They both put FAMILY above LAW & ORDER!!!

                                        I do. I place a very high emphasis on family. In this case...

                                        Because I know much of the law is corrupt and applied unequally. Second, because AFAIK, there is no major crime involved.

                                        Your position would be completely different if you replaced "Trump rally" with "BLM rally."

                                        That is for sure.

                                        The snitch would have disappeared a long time ago, or perhaps just hung himself.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #52

                                        @copper said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                        @aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                        @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                        @axtremus said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                        What do @Jolly and Michael Carleone have in common?

                                        They both put FAMILY above LAW & ORDER!!!

                                        I do. I place a very high emphasis on family. In this case...

                                        Because I know much of the law is corrupt and applied unequally. Second, because AFAIK, there is no major crime involved.

                                        Your position would be completely different if you replaced "Trump rally" with "BLM rally."

                                        That is for sure.

                                        The snitch would have disappeared a long time ago, or perhaps just hung himself.

                                        Repeatedly.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @axtremus said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                          What do @Jolly and Michael Carleone have in common?

                                          They both put FAMILY above LAW & ORDER!!!

                                          I do. I place a very high emphasis on family. In this case...

                                          Because I know much of the law is corrupt and applied unequally. Second, because AFAIK, there is no major crime involved.

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                                          Axtremus
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #53

                                          @jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:

                                          I place a very high emphasis on family.

                                          Blood is not thicker than Kool-Aid.
                                          Family is less than Trump.

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