Hero Or Snitch?
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A LOT of details missing, and besides, who are we to judge?
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@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?
No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.
So you're okay with guys breaking federal crimes as long as they have a family to support?
wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 18:13 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?
No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.
So you're okay with guys breaking federal crimes as long as they have a family to support?
You are completely missing the point. At the time Jackson called the FBI no crime had taken place and he had no certain knowledge that one would. Am I opposed to children dropping a die on parents who MIGHT commit a crime? Da, komrade.
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wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 18:20 last edited by
@copper said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a snitch
What he did is the definition.
Well, his dad's a two-bit thug. No taksies backsies!
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@copper said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a snitch
What he did is the definition.
Well, his dad's a two-bit thug. No taksies backsies!
wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 18:23 last edited by@doctor-phibes yeah, when the dad goes all in on idiot insurrection - the family may not be firing on all cylinders.
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@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?
No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.
So you're okay with guys breaking federal crimes as long as they have a family to support?
You are completely missing the point. At the time Jackson called the FBI no crime had taken place and he had no certain knowledge that one would. Am I opposed to children dropping a die on parents who MIGHT commit a crime? Da, komrade.
wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 18:25 last edited by@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
You are completely missing the point. At the time Jackson called the FBI no crime had taken place and he had no certain knowledge that one would.
Possibly. However there is this:
Jackson Reffitt informed authorities that, on the night of Jan. 8 and the ensuing days, his father told him and other family members that he was among the individuals who "stormed the Capitol" on Jan. 6, that he went to protect the country and brought his gun with him, and that he recorded some of the events on his GoPro camera, which was strapped to his helmet, according to the court documents.
Maybe not a crime in itself, but arming yourself and storming the Capitol is not exactly lawful now, is it?
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wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 18:27 last edited by
No, but that was after the fact. Self-fulfilling prophecy if you will.
In any event, the only thing I can see is him outside the Capitol drinking water.
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wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 18:28 last edited by
The father fucked up his one job, which is to produce offspring that could learn the appropriate ways to function in society. Good thing the son recognized it and did what he had to do no matter the short term harm to the family.
I detest snitches. The kid was just expressing normal instincts and likely tortured himself in coming to the conclusion he did.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 01:27 last edited by
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
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The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 01:59 last edited by Doctor Phibes 2 Jan 2021, 02:05@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
He's only sixteen. I don't know about you, but I did some really stupid shit at that age, that could easily have got me or possibly others killed.
And you don't know what else is going on in the family.
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@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
He's only sixteen. I don't know about you, but I did some really stupid shit at that age, that could easily have got me or possibly others killed.
And you don't know what else is going on in the family.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 02:44 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
He's only sixteen. I don't know about you, but I did some really stupid shit at that age, that could easily have got me or possibly others killed.
And you don't know what else is going on in the family.
I don't care what else is going on in that family.
There are some things that Are. Not. Done. Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass is one of them. The kid has ruined his father's life, his mother's life, his siblings lives, and his own.
For what? For an attaboy and ten minutes of fame on CNN?
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 02:47 last edited by
A police was killed in teh capital as well as the protestor lady. Makes it pretty serious to me.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 02:49 last edited by
There’s too little information to go on. What exactly did the kid hear that made him want to call a tip line? Was he calling the tip line out of a sincere concern of a threat, or was this some way of getting back at his dad over other crap? What exactly did the dad do at the Capitol? Waayyy too little info to make any judgement other than it’s sad.
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@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
He's only sixteen. I don't know about you, but I did some really stupid shit at that age, that could easily have got me or possibly others killed.
And you don't know what else is going on in the family.
I don't care what else is going on in that family.
There are some things that Are. Not. Done. Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass is one of them. The kid has ruined his father's life, his mother's life, his siblings lives, and his own.
For what? For an attaboy and ten minutes of fame on CNN?
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 02:50 last edited by@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
He's only sixteen. I don't know about you, but I did some really stupid shit at that age, that could easily have got me or possibly others killed.
And you don't know what else is going on in the family.
I don't care what else is going on in that family.
There are some things that Are. Not. Done. Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass is one of them. The kid has ruined his father's life, his mother's life, his siblings lives, and his own.
For what? For an attaboy and ten minutes of fame on CNN?
I blame the parents.
Isn't that what we usually say?
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 02:54 last edited by
Also, if you're angrier at this kid than you are at the people beating policemen to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building, or kicking people in the head in Portland, then something's wrong.
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Also, if you're angrier at this kid than you are at the people beating policemen to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building, or kicking people in the head in Portland, then something's wrong.
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@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
He's only sixteen. I don't know about you, but I did some really stupid shit at that age, that could easily have got me or possibly others killed.
And you don't know what else is going on in the family.
I don't care what else is going on in that family.
There are some things that Are. Not. Done. Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass is one of them. The kid has ruined his father's life, his mother's life, his siblings lives, and his own.
For what? For an attaboy and ten minutes of fame on CNN?
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 03:02 last edited by@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass
No, sorry, if the courts press further charges then you are going to be absolutely wrong about that. You don't get to downplay the charges because he's a fringe member of the side you endorse.
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Also, if you're angrier at this kid than you are at the people beating policemen to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building, or kicking people in the head in Portland, then something's wrong.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 03:03 last edited by Aqua Letifer 2 Jan 2021, 03:04@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Also, if you're angrier at this kid than you are at the people beating policemen to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building, or kicking people in the head in Portland, then something's wrong.
Quite obviously that's something that should be seriously considered here.
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@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Also, if you're angrier at this kid than you are at the people beating policemen to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building, or kicking people in the head in Portland, then something's wrong.
Quite obviously that's something that should be seriously considered here.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 03:13 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Also, if you're angrier at this kid than you are at the people beating policemen to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building, or kicking people in the head in Portland, then something's wrong.
Quite obviously that's something that should be seriously considered here.
Something no one said here ever. What his father did after the fact cannot justify what this kid did.
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@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Also, if you're angrier at this kid than you are at the people beating policemen to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building, or kicking people in the head in Portland, then something's wrong.
Quite obviously that's something that should be seriously considered here.
Something no one said here ever. What his father did after the fact cannot justify what this kid did.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 03:32 last edited by@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Also, if you're angrier at this kid than you are at the people beating policemen to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building, or kicking people in the head in Portland, then something's wrong.
Quite obviously that's something that should be seriously considered here.
Something no one said here ever.
Didn't say they did.
What his father did after the fact cannot justify what this kid did.
I don't think the kid's a hero. My opinion on this is very much a "pull the goalie" kind of thing; I know it's ridiculous but it's what I think anyway: my take is, how bad were the father's motivations? For example, if he wanted to "stop Pelosi" or any nonsense like that, I'd need more details because I wouldn't automatically condemn the kid. If his principal motivation was to show up and support Trump, then I'd be much more willing to condemn the kid. I very much care about what the father intended. You probably find that immaterial but I do not.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 11:47 last edited by
The kid's 16. The father's old enough to be a grown up.
It does actually matter.