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  • K kluurs
    10 Jan 2021, 04:49

    All the other kids were doing it... Again, stupid - but they felt they were acting upon the directive of those who told them the country was being stolen from them - and Joseph Stalin Biden was not the true President. While guilty of poor judgment, they felt they were acting in the best interests of the nation as defined by the President.

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    Aqua Letifer
    wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 05:14 last edited by Aqua Letifer 1 Oct 2021, 05:15
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    @kluurs said in Threw away the dream..:

    All the other kids were doing it... Again, stupid - but they felt they were acting upon the directive of those who told them the country was being stolen from them - and Joseph Stalin Biden was not the true President. While guilty of poor judgment, they felt they were acting in the best interests of the nation as defined by the President.

    LD had a good point awhile back: how many of these folks do you think actually thought they'd get access to the Capitol? I mean, watch the videos of them after they got inside. There was clearly no plan whatsoever.

    I really hate what happened, but assuming we take that line of thinking kluurs, would it be better for the country overall if they went easy on the sentencing? Or has all this shit from the past year gone quite far enough and now's the time to get serious about punishing mobs?

    Please love yourself.

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    • A Aqua Letifer
      10 Jan 2021, 05:14

      @kluurs said in Threw away the dream..:

      All the other kids were doing it... Again, stupid - but they felt they were acting upon the directive of those who told them the country was being stolen from them - and Joseph Stalin Biden was not the true President. While guilty of poor judgment, they felt they were acting in the best interests of the nation as defined by the President.

      LD had a good point awhile back: how many of these folks do you think actually thought they'd get access to the Capitol? I mean, watch the videos of them after they got inside. There was clearly no plan whatsoever.

      I really hate what happened, but assuming we take that line of thinking kluurs, would it be better for the country overall if they went easy on the sentencing? Or has all this shit from the past year gone quite far enough and now's the time to get serious about punishing mobs?

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      Jolly
      wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 05:15 last edited by
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      @aqua-letifer said in Threw away the dream..:

      @kluurs said in Threw away the dream..:

      All the other kids were doing it... Again, stupid - but they felt they were acting upon the directive of those who told them the country was being stolen from them - and Joseph Stalin Biden was not the true President. While guilty of poor judgment, they felt they were acting in the best interests of the nation as defined by the President.

      LD had a good point awhile back: how many of these folks do you think actually thought they'd get access to the Capitol? I mean, watch the videos of them after they got inside. There was clearly no plan whatsoever.

      I really hate what happened, but assuming we take that line of thinking kluurs, would it be better for the country overall if they went easy on the sentencing? Or has all this shit from the past year gone quite far enough and now's the time to get serious about punishing mobs?

      Nah, I'm still holding out for crucifixion.

      At Arlington.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 05:16 last edited by
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        You have to think about the moral hazard problem.

        Oh, and they beat a federal officer to death with a fire extinguisher.

        What do you think they would have done had they captured Pelosi or Pence?

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • J jon-nyc
          10 Jan 2021, 05:16

          You have to think about the moral hazard problem.

          Oh, and they beat a federal officer to death with a fire extinguisher.

          What do you think they would have done had they captured Pelosi or Pence?

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          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 05:17 last edited by
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          @jon-nyc said in Threw away the dream..:

          You have to think about the moral hazard problem.

          Oh, and they beat a federal officer to death with a fire extinguisher.

          What do you think they would have done had they captured Pelosi or Pence?

          Well that's another thing, are we going to say they're all the same "they" or prosecute them individually? I'm sure we have the surveillance footage to single people out, right?

          Please love yourself.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 05:18 last edited by
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            Obviously we try them as individuals.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • J jon-nyc
              10 Jan 2021, 05:18

              Obviously we try them as individuals.

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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 05:20 last edited by
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              @jon-nyc said in Threw away the dream..:

              Obviously we try them as individuals.

              That would make the death of the police officer completely irrelevant for the guys who just invaded the offices.

              Please love yourself.

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              • X xenon
                9 Jan 2021, 17:43

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                Apparently married to a physician, stay at home dad of 5 kids (according to a local Florida news outlet).

                https://www.newsweek.com/adam-johnson-nancy-pelosis-lectern-capitol-riot-arrested-florida-1560231

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 05:33 last edited by
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                @xenon said in Threw away the dream..:

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                His lawyer said that at his trial he won’t be taking the stand.

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                I’ll see myself out.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                  89th
                  wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 11:36 last edited by
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                  LLOL 😂

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                  • J jon-nyc
                    10 Jan 2021, 05:16

                    You have to think about the moral hazard problem.

                    Oh, and they beat a federal officer to death with a fire extinguisher.

                    What do you think they would have done had they captured Pelosi or Pence?

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                    Copper
                    wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 12:46 last edited by
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                    @jon-nyc said in Threw away the dream..:

                    You have to think about the moral hazard problem.

                    Oh, and they beat a federal officer to death with a fire extinguisher.

                    What do you think they would have done had they captured Pelosi or Pence?

                    They had Rand Paul and his wife for a while, but then they let him go.

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 18:21 last edited by
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                      How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • J jon-nyc
                        10 Jan 2021, 05:16

                        You have to think about the moral hazard problem.

                        Oh, and they beat a federal officer to death with a fire extinguisher.

                        What do you think they would have done had they captured Pelosi or Pence?

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 18:26 last edited by
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                        @jon-nyc said in Threw away the dream..:

                        You have to think about the moral hazard problem.

                        Oh, and they beat a federal officer to death with a fire extinguisher.

                        What do you think they would have done had they captured Pelosi or Pence?

                        I imagine the murderer thought they were in a physical fight. I don't imagine Pelosi or Pence presenting themselves as being in a physical fight.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • R Renauda
                          10 Jan 2021, 18:21

                          How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.

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                          Copper
                          wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 18:52 last edited by Copper 1 Oct 2021, 18:55
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                          @renauda said in Threw away the dream..:

                          How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.

                          It was in all the papers

                          https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/514103-sen-rand-paul-says-he-and-his-wife-were-attacked-by-an-angry-mob-leaving

                          If you are interested in the races involved you can watch the video (the whites misbehaved, as expected)

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                          • C Copper
                            10 Jan 2021, 18:52

                            @renauda said in Threw away the dream..:

                            How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.

                            It was in all the papers

                            https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/514103-sen-rand-paul-says-he-and-his-wife-were-attacked-by-an-angry-mob-leaving

                            If you are interested in the races involved you can watch the video (the whites misbehaved, as expected)

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 19:00 last edited by Horace 1 Oct 2021, 19:05
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                            @copper said in Threw away the dream..:

                            (the whites misbehaved, as expected)

                            That figures.

                            I'm really glad I have the virtue inside of me to recognize this.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • C Copper
                              10 Jan 2021, 18:52

                              @renauda said in Threw away the dream..:

                              How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.

                              It was in all the papers

                              https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/514103-sen-rand-paul-says-he-and-his-wife-were-attacked-by-an-angry-mob-leaving

                              If you are interested in the races involved you can watch the video (the whites misbehaved, as expected)

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 19:52 last edited by Renauda 1 Oct 2021, 22:24
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                              @copper said in Threw away the dream..:

                              If you are interested in the races involved you can watch the video (the whites misbehaved, as expected)

                              Actually I am more intrigued by the commonalities and similar degrees of blind rage between a patriotic libertarian mob as in the video and an anarchist anti-fa mob in other videos posted here in the recent past. To be honest, I believe both are comprised of similar social cast offs.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • R Renauda
                                10 Jan 2021, 18:21

                                How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 20:16 last edited by
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                                @renauda said in Threw away the dream..:

                                How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.

                                Maybe they just got sick of having to listen to him.

                                I was only joking

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                                • R Renauda
                                  10 Jan 2021, 19:52

                                  @copper said in Threw away the dream..:

                                  If you are interested in the races involved you can watch the video (the whites misbehaved, as expected)

                                  Actually I am more intrigued by the commonalities and similar degrees of blind rage between a patriotic libertarian mob as in the video and an anarchist anti-fa mob in other videos posted here in the recent past. To be honest, I believe both are comprised of similar social cast offs.

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 20:16 last edited by
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                                  @renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.

                                  I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • M Mik
                                    10 Jan 2021, 20:16

                                    @renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.

                                    I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 20:20 last edited by
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                                    @mik said in Threw away the dream..:

                                    @renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.

                                    I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.

                                    Nah, just a nice Depression.

                                    Enough to wipe the smirk off some of the upper class and enough to give the bottom some impetus to do better.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • M Mik
                                      10 Jan 2021, 20:16

                                      @renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.

                                      I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 22:39 last edited by Renauda 1 Oct 2021, 22:40
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                                      @mik said in Threw away the dream..:

                                      There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.

                                      Absurd is right.

                                      On one hand you have a group that sees a vast conspiracy of intellectual urban elites eroding the hard won freedom and liberty of the common working person based on race and gender and, on the other hand, you see a similar group that purports there are wealthy urban elites conspiring to preserve a status quo that denies freedom and liberty to the common working person based on race and gender.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • M Mik
                                        10 Jan 2021, 20:16

                                        @renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.

                                        I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.

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                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote on 11 Jan 2021, 02:43 last edited by
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                                        @mik said in Threw away the dream..:

                                        @renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.

                                        I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.

                                        Agree also a 100%. I believe that the anger, etc. is very intense but very short lived, like a spark as compare to a long burning torch.

                                        People in the US do have it quite well, and while people think that they have problems, there really truly is not a sustaining problem to keep large amounts of people angry for a long time.

                                        I think of recent protests in Hong Kong (or even Thailand) where there are 10's or even 100's of thousands of people in the streets in a single city for weeks on end.

                                        There was/is enough of a strong passion among those large group of people to keep it going for weeks on end.

                                        Yes, the protest in DC had 10's of thousands of people, but it would not have continued past that day. Everybody would have gotten on their buses and went home the next day, even if there was not a invasion of the US capital.

                                        Maybe @Rainman can give some background on the actual number of people involved in teh protests there. My understanding is that even there, it was (relatively saying) a small number of people.

                                        This is downtown BKK a couple of months ago, a scene that repeated day after day

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                                        • T taiwan_girl
                                          11 Jan 2021, 02:43

                                          @mik said in Threw away the dream..:

                                          @renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.

                                          I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.

                                          Agree also a 100%. I believe that the anger, etc. is very intense but very short lived, like a spark as compare to a long burning torch.

                                          People in the US do have it quite well, and while people think that they have problems, there really truly is not a sustaining problem to keep large amounts of people angry for a long time.

                                          I think of recent protests in Hong Kong (or even Thailand) where there are 10's or even 100's of thousands of people in the streets in a single city for weeks on end.

                                          There was/is enough of a strong passion among those large group of people to keep it going for weeks on end.

                                          Yes, the protest in DC had 10's of thousands of people, but it would not have continued past that day. Everybody would have gotten on their buses and went home the next day, even if there was not a invasion of the US capital.

                                          Maybe @Rainman can give some background on the actual number of people involved in teh protests there. My understanding is that even there, it was (relatively saying) a small number of people.

                                          This is downtown BKK a couple of months ago, a scene that repeated day after day

                                          IMG_4621.jpg

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 11 Jan 2021, 04:10 last edited by
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                                          @taiwan_girl Perfect example.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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