Threw away the dream..
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@jon-nyc said in Threw away the dream..:
Obviously we try them as individuals.
That would make the death of the police officer completely irrelevant for the guys who just invaded the offices.
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Apparently married to a physician, stay at home dad of 5 kids (according to a local Florida news outlet).
https://www.newsweek.com/adam-johnson-nancy-pelosis-lectern-capitol-riot-arrested-florida-1560231
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You have to think about the moral hazard problem.
Oh, and they beat a federal officer to death with a fire extinguisher.
What do you think they would have done had they captured Pelosi or Pence?
@jon-nyc said in Threw away the dream..:
You have to think about the moral hazard problem.
Oh, and they beat a federal officer to death with a fire extinguisher.
What do you think they would have done had they captured Pelosi or Pence?
They had Rand Paul and his wife for a while, but then they let him go.
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How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.
Elbows up!
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You have to think about the moral hazard problem.
Oh, and they beat a federal officer to death with a fire extinguisher.
What do you think they would have done had they captured Pelosi or Pence?
@jon-nyc said in Threw away the dream..:
You have to think about the moral hazard problem.
Oh, and they beat a federal officer to death with a fire extinguisher.
What do you think they would have done had they captured Pelosi or Pence?
I imagine the murderer thought they were in a physical fight. I don't imagine Pelosi or Pence presenting themselves as being in a physical fight.
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How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.
@renauda said in Threw away the dream..:
How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.
It was in all the papers
If you are interested in the races involved you can watch the video (the whites misbehaved, as expected)
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@renauda said in Threw away the dream..:
How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.
It was in all the papers
If you are interested in the races involved you can watch the video (the whites misbehaved, as expected)
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@renauda said in Threw away the dream..:
How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.
It was in all the papers
If you are interested in the races involved you can watch the video (the whites misbehaved, as expected)
@copper said in Threw away the dream..:
If you are interested in the races involved you can watch the video (the whites misbehaved, as expected)
Actually I am more intrigued by the commonalities and similar degrees of blind rage between a patriotic libertarian mob as in the video and an anarchist anti-fa mob in other videos posted here in the recent past. To be honest, I believe both are comprised of similar social cast offs.
Elbows up!
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How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.
@renauda said in Threw away the dream..:
How sportingly white of the rampaging mob to extend the Pauls' that level of common decency. I am sure they recognized them as fellow libertarians.
Maybe they just got sick of having to listen to him.
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@copper said in Threw away the dream..:
If you are interested in the races involved you can watch the video (the whites misbehaved, as expected)
Actually I am more intrigued by the commonalities and similar degrees of blind rage between a patriotic libertarian mob as in the video and an anarchist anti-fa mob in other videos posted here in the recent past. To be honest, I believe both are comprised of similar social cast offs.
@renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.
I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.
I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.
@mik said in Threw away the dream..:
@renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.
I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.
Nah, just a nice Depression.
Enough to wipe the smirk off some of the upper class and enough to give the bottom some impetus to do better.
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@renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.
I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.
@mik said in Threw away the dream..:
There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.
Absurd is right.
On one hand you have a group that sees a vast conspiracy of intellectual urban elites eroding the hard won freedom and liberty of the common working person based on race and gender and, on the other hand, you see a similar group that purports there are wealthy urban elites conspiring to preserve a status quo that denies freedom and liberty to the common working person based on race and gender.
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@renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.
I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.
@mik said in Threw away the dream..:
@renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.
I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.
Agree also a 100%. I believe that the anger, etc. is very intense but very short lived, like a spark as compare to a long burning torch.
People in the US do have it quite well, and while people think that they have problems, there really truly is not a sustaining problem to keep large amounts of people angry for a long time.
I think of recent protests in Hong Kong (or even Thailand) where there are 10's or even 100's of thousands of people in the streets in a single city for weeks on end.
There was/is enough of a strong passion among those large group of people to keep it going for weeks on end.
Yes, the protest in DC had 10's of thousands of people, but it would not have continued past that day. Everybody would have gotten on their buses and went home the next day, even if there was not a invasion of the US capital.
Maybe @Rainman can give some background on the actual number of people involved in teh protests there. My understanding is that even there, it was (relatively saying) a small number of people.
This is downtown BKK a couple of months ago, a scene that repeated day after day
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@mik said in Threw away the dream..:
@renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.
I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.
Agree also a 100%. I believe that the anger, etc. is very intense but very short lived, like a spark as compare to a long burning torch.
People in the US do have it quite well, and while people think that they have problems, there really truly is not a sustaining problem to keep large amounts of people angry for a long time.
I think of recent protests in Hong Kong (or even Thailand) where there are 10's or even 100's of thousands of people in the streets in a single city for weeks on end.
There was/is enough of a strong passion among those large group of people to keep it going for weeks on end.
Yes, the protest in DC had 10's of thousands of people, but it would not have continued past that day. Everybody would have gotten on their buses and went home the next day, even if there was not a invasion of the US capital.
Maybe @Rainman can give some background on the actual number of people involved in teh protests there. My understanding is that even there, it was (relatively saying) a small number of people.
This is downtown BKK a couple of months ago, a scene that repeated day after day
@taiwan_girl Perfect example.
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@mik said in Threw away the dream..:
@renauda Agreed. There is a level of absurdity to the perceived grievances as compared to past insurrections. There is little to nothing in America today that rises to the level such that people should take to the streets.
I have long wondered if we in fact need wars, conflict to release pressure such as we are feeling today. We have it too good. Maybe we need to be reminded of what not good really is.
Agree also a 100%. I believe that the anger, etc. is very intense but very short lived, like a spark as compare to a long burning torch.
People in the US do have it quite well, and while people think that they have problems, there really truly is not a sustaining problem to keep large amounts of people angry for a long time.
I think of recent protests in Hong Kong (or even Thailand) where there are 10's or even 100's of thousands of people in the streets in a single city for weeks on end.
There was/is enough of a strong passion among those large group of people to keep it going for weeks on end.
Yes, the protest in DC had 10's of thousands of people, but it would not have continued past that day. Everybody would have gotten on their buses and went home the next day, even if there was not a invasion of the US capital.
Maybe @Rainman can give some background on the actual number of people involved in teh protests there. My understanding is that even there, it was (relatively saying) a small number of people.
This is downtown BKK a couple of months ago, a scene that repeated day after day
@taiwan_girl said in Threw away the dream..:
if there was not a invasion of the US capital.
I haven't heard anyone complain that the size of the Trump rally was somehow a breach of the Constitution.
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@taiwan_girl said in Threw away the dream..:
if there was not a invasion of the US capital.
I haven't heard anyone complain that the size of the Trump rally was somehow a breach of the Constitution.
@aqua-letifer said in Threw away the dream..:
@taiwan_girl said in Threw away the dream..:
if there was not a invasion of the US capital.
I haven't heard anyone complain that the size of the Trump rally was somehow a breach of the Constitution.
What about those that did not storm the Capitol?
You are aware that people are losing their jobs and an attempt is being made to turn many attendees into social pariahs?
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@aqua-letifer said in Threw away the dream..:
@taiwan_girl said in Threw away the dream..:
if there was not a invasion of the US capital.
I haven't heard anyone complain that the size of the Trump rally was somehow a breach of the Constitution.
What about those that did not storm the Capitol?
You are aware that people are losing their jobs and an attempt is being made to turn many attendees into social pariahs?
@jolly said in Threw away the dream..:
What about those that did not storm the Capitol?
You mean the ones who beat the shit out of the AP reporter, the ones who slammed the female NYT photographer on the ground after she showed her pass, or the ones just hanging out and watched the invasion on their phones and were horrified like everyone else? I mention those incidents because copper's "tourist" commentary is true for some and absolutely ridiculous for others who did not enter the Capitol.
You are aware that people are losing their jobs and an attempt is being made to turn many attendees into social pariahs?
I'm aware that my own job situation has been shaky at times because I dared to not parrot the same liberal bullshit my co-workers were. Yes, demonizing the lot of them is very bad. I'm familiar with the concept.
Tell me then what you think of the idea of peaceful Portland protesters who wanted no part of CHAZ. Are we really trying to be fair here or is this just wagon-circling? I honestly don't remember you ever trying to make the same claim with the other side so this is an honest question, I really don't know where you stand on this.
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And you don't care.
Have a nice evening.
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@jolly said in Threw away the dream..:
And you don't care.
Have a nice evening.
No actually I'm serious. If we can agree that generalizing is causing serious problems, then okay, we disagree about a lot of other stuff but that would be a starting point.
But if you want to defend only your side with a heterogeneous defense and believe all leftist protesters are the same, then we can't even agree on basic facts.
