Twitter permanently bans Trump
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@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@horace said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Why not go authoritarian left rather than authoritarian right?
Two reasons, the left tends to break down into opposing factions and only rarely can those factions ever reach a working compromise that remains stable. Secondly and most importantly, the present day American extreme left has no social class constituency it claim as its vanguard. It can no longer purport to speak on behalf of wage earners or working class Americans. Its only constituency is really a handful of disaffected under 30's who feel the need to identify themselves as persecuted victims of the system. While the left can raise all kinds of mayhem, it cannot manage its own affairs let alone those of a state that continues to maintain strong institutions.
It would take a only a cataclysm such as a war in which the US was clearly losing; its rank and file military had become radicalized and mutinous and; its political and social institutions crumbling, to enable the left ever to make a bid for power.
I don’t think I agree with this definition of “power”. Clearly the left dominates our cultural messaging currently and in all of the recent decades. That is very real power. You appear to think that the right will take over through totalitarian means via an election. I’m not clear on the policies which would be enforced via totalitarianism through such a “rightist” power grab, but if enforcement of law is all it is, then I have no issue with it. I’m not sure what else I’m supposed to extrapolate.
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Authoritarian does not mean totalitarian. For a lack of a better label, it would be illiberal but not anything near totalitarian or even truly authoritarian in its make up.
@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Authoritarian does not mean totalitarian. For a lack of a better label, it would be illiberal but not anything near totalitarian or even truly authoritarian in its make up.
Ok. If you feel like it, please describe the difference between your prediction and a party that eventually gains power through an election which prioritizes law enforcement, especially against rioting mobs.
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@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Authoritarian does not mean totalitarian. For a lack of a better label, it would be illiberal but not anything near totalitarian or even truly authoritarian in its make up.
Ok. If you feel like it, please describe the difference between your prediction and a party that eventually gains power through an election which prioritizes law enforcement, especially against rioting mobs.
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@horace Actually this time round, I'll let you describe the difference and I'll either agree or disagree.
@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@horace Actually this time round, I'll let you describe the difference and I'll either agree or disagree.
Well my post was an admission that I'm not understanding the difference. Though "illiberal" was a tell. You have a vague preference for the left to the right, at least as the terms are used within American and/or Canadian politics. I admit to such a vague preference as well, though in the opposite direction.
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@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@horace Actually this time round, I'll let you describe the difference and I'll either agree or disagree.
Well my post was an admission that I'm not understanding the difference. Though "illiberal" was a tell. You have a vague preference for the left to the right, at least as the terms are used within American and/or Canadian politics. I admit to such a vague preference as well, though in the opposite direction.
@horace Works for me. Although I might add that I have little or no patience and time for the cancel culture or identity politics of current progressives or new left. Wokism, or whatever it's called this month, just does not fit into the dialectic to which I subscribe.
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@horace Works for me. Although I might add that I have little or no patience and time for the cancel culture or identity politics of current progressives or new left. Wokism, or whatever it's called this month, just does not fit into the dialectic to which I subscribe.
@renauda said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@horace Works for me. Although I might add that I have little or no patience and time for the cancel culture or identity politics of current progressives or new left. Wokism, or whatever it's called this month, just does not fit into the dialectic to which I subscribe.
I understand that completely. I've spent pretty much my entire adult life thinking of myself as 'liberal' and 'centre-left', and then suddenly it feels like the ground I used to occupy has been taken over by all those dip-shits I used to run into in the Student Union at university with the rimless glasses and the goatee beards who would shout at me for banking with Barclays, and talk about the rights of 'The Working Class' even though they'd been to some posh little school in Surrey and their daddy was a stockbroker.
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@Klaus @xenon I just want make this point about the Adroid "App Store" landscape:
- In most of the world, yes, most people use the Google Play Store exclusively to get their Android apps
- But in China, Google and Amazon are blocked by the Chinese Great Firewall ... yet there are like a billion Android phones being used in China and they still get their Android apps. This should be enough to show most reasonable people that it is entirely possible to support hundreds of millions of Android users without relying on a Google operated Play Store.
So, yes, I am still quite convinced that Google Play Store is powerless to censor something, some apps, that Android users really, really want.
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If Trump were smart he’d be negotiating a financial stake in Gab or Parler in return for him to make it
the center of his culthis communications hub moving forward.You were warned.
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If Trump were smart he’d be negotiating a financial stake in Gab or Parler in return for him to make it
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/trump-reacts-to-twitter-ban-456785
In a statement issued by the White House, Trump said he’d been “negotiating with various other sites” while “we also look at the possibilities of building out our own platform in the near future.” But aides did not reveal what plans were in the works. When Trump’s eldest son, Don Jr. offered up a URL to those hoping to keep tabs of his father’s whereabouts, it was a site that had been purchased in 2009 and, in recent years, a place where his books were sold. For those who did sign up, an email was sent, plugging his latest work: “Liberal Privilege”.
I hope he builds his own platform.
@axtremus said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
I hope he builds his own platform.
Separate but equal, is that it?
Next, they won't let him eat at Woolworth's lunch counter.
Are Facebook and Twitter public accommodations?
They might be someday soon.
If they are, they would have to have even-handed application of the rules.
Rules that would be enforced by the Civil Rights Division of Mr. Biden's Justice Department.
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If Trump were smart he’d be negotiating a financial stake in Gab or Parler in return for him to make it
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Nope. The cult is a small subset of his voters. I mean the True Believers. Not the ‘close your eyes and think of Gorsuch’ voters.
You were warned.
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Nope. The cult is a small subset of his voters. I mean the True Believers. Not the ‘close your eyes and think of Gorsuch’ voters.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Nope. The cult is a small subset of his voters. I mean the True Believers. Not the ‘close your eyes and think of Gorsuch’ voters.
I agree with this @jolly. You keep mentioning that the 70+ million people like they are all homogenus that all believe the same thing, listen to the thing, follow the "orders" from the same people, etc.
That is as bad as saying the 80+ MM who voted for President Biden are all the same.
There are some on the edges of each party who are extreme, but they are definitely in the minority.
That is one of the problems with news sources and the internet today. If you (general you, not anybody specifically) start following, for example, a far right news source, the internet starts steering you towards other far right news sources. After a while, you think that those sources represent the majority of thinking in the US because that is all you see.
(Another reason I like this forum board. Good variety of opinions and allows me to see different view points.
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Nope. The cult is a small subset of his voters. I mean the True Believers. Not the ‘close your eyes and think of Gorsuch’ voters.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Nope. The cult is a small subset of his voters. I mean the True Believers. Not the ‘close your eyes and think of Gorsuch’ voters.
Exactly. I know plenty of folks who voted for Trump. Every single one does not buy into the fraud/stolen lie. Obviously a small sample size but I think represents most folks who voted for Trump.
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Twitter bans President Trump.
48 hours later Amazon bans Parler.
A "virtual impeachment".
Surely it's a coincidence, right?
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Twitter bans President Trump.
48 hours later Amazon bans Parler.
A "virtual impeachment".
Surely it's a coincidence, right?
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@jon-nyc said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Nope. The cult is a small subset of his voters. I mean the True Believers. Not the ‘close your eyes and think of Gorsuch’ voters.
Exactly. I know plenty of folks who voted for Trump. Every single one does not buy into the fraud/stolen lie. Obviously a small sample size but I think represents most folks who voted for Trump.
@89th said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Nope. The cult is a small subset of his voters. I mean the True Believers. Not the ‘close your eyes and think of Gorsuch’ voters.
Exactly. I know plenty of folks who voted for Trump. Every single one does not buy into the fraud/stolen lie. Obviously a small sample size but I think represents most folks who voted for Trump.
You also live in the Beltway...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@89th said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Nope. The cult is a small subset of his voters. I mean the True Believers. Not the ‘close your eyes and think of Gorsuch’ voters.
Exactly. I know plenty of folks who voted for Trump. Every single one does not buy into the fraud/stolen lie. Obviously a small sample size but I think represents most folks who voted for Trump.
You also live in the Beltway...
@jolly said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@89th said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Nope. The cult is a small subset of his voters. I mean the True Believers. Not the ‘close your eyes and think of Gorsuch’ voters.
Exactly. I know plenty of folks who voted for Trump. Every single one does not buy into the fraud/stolen lie. Obviously a small sample size but I think represents most folks who voted for Trump.
You also live in the Beltway...
How the heck do you deal with any genuine belief that Trump actually won that election?
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@jon-nyc said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Nope. The cult is a small subset of his voters. I mean the True Believers. Not the ‘close your eyes and think of Gorsuch’ voters.
Exactly. I know plenty of folks who voted for Trump. Every single one does not buy into the fraud/stolen lie. Obviously a small sample size but I think represents most folks who voted for Trump.
@89th said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter permanently bans Trump:
Nope. The cult is a small subset of his voters. I mean the True Believers. Not the ‘close your eyes and think of Gorsuch’ voters.
Exactly. I know plenty of folks who voted for Trump. Every single one does not buy into the fraud/stolen lie. Obviously a small sample size but I think represents most folks who voted for Trump.
So you think people who voted for Trump are small.
Every single one that I know is big.
