Vaccine Rollout
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@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
So around 3% of reported cases are breakthrough cases. Is that statistically significant? I have to imagine that would be since we can guess that there are more cases that are not being reported since vaccinated individuals are being tested less and will probably be more likely to pass symptoms off as cold or allergies. Still, even if it's only 3% and the number holds nationally, that's 22000 breakthrough cases in the last month alone. Not 10,000 cases since January like the CDC tried to pass of last week...
Beyond that, if new cases are 30 times higher for non-vaccinated, one would expect hospitalizations to be 30 times higher for non-vaccinated. The 21% number would tend to indicate that the confirmed breakthrough cases are more likely to be serious cases, which would make sense since they are more likely to be symptomatic, otherwise why be tested?
Am I alone in thinking there are probably a fair number of untested and unreported breakthrough cases?
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
So around 3% of reported cases are breakthrough cases. Is that statistically significant? I have to imagine that would be since we can guess that there are more cases that are not being reported since vaccinated individuals are being tested less and will probably be more likely to pass symptoms off as cold or allergies. Still, even if it's only 3% and the number holds nationally, that's 22000 breakthrough cases in the last month alone. Not 10,000 cases since January like the CDC tried to pass of last week...
Beyond that, if new cases are 30 times higher for non-vaccinated, one would expect hospitalizations to be 30 times higher for non-vaccinated. The 21% number would tend to indicate that the confirmed breakthrough cases are more likely to be serious cases, which would make sense since they are more likely to be symptomatic, otherwise why be tested?
Am I alone in thinking there are probably a fair number of untested and unreported breakthrough cases?
Your understanding of the part about the unvaccinated patients of COVID-19 being "21 times more likely to be hospitalized" than the their vaccinated cohort may be at fault.
It does not mean there are 21 times more unvaccinated patients of COVID-19 being hospitalized than vaccinated COVID-19 patients. It means that the fraction of unvaccinated COVID-19 patients being hospitalized is 21 times higher than the fraction of vaccinated COVID-19 patients being hospitalized.
It does not mean that, for every one vaccinated COVID-19 patient hospitalized there are 21 unvaccinated COVID-19 patients being hospitalized. It means that, if there are 1 patient out of 100 vaccinated COVID-19 patients get hospitalized, then there are 21 patients out of 100 unvaccinated COVID-19 patients get hospitalized.
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Biden administration to buy 500 million Pfizer coronavirus vaccine doses to donate to the world
“… The first 200 million doses will be distributed this year, with the subsequent 300 million shared in the first half of next year. The doses will be distributed by Covax, the World Health Organization-backed initiative to share doses around the globe, and they will be targeted at low- and middle-income countries. Pfizer is selling the doses to the U.S. at a “not-for-profit” price, according to the people familiar with the deal, …”
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Biden administration to buy 500 million Pfizer coronavirus vaccine doses to donate to the world
“… The first 200 million doses will be distributed this year, with the subsequent 300 million shared in the first half of next year. The doses will be distributed by Covax, the World Health Organization-backed initiative to share doses around the globe, and they will be targeted at low- and middle-income countries. Pfizer is selling the doses to the U.S. at a “not-for-profit” price, according to the people familiar with the deal, …”
@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Biden administration to buy 500 million Pfizer coronavirus vaccine doses to donate to the world
Gosh I hate to split hairs, but the taxpayers are buying those doses. Taxpayers and our future generations servicing the debt.
You're welcome, world.
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@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Biden administration to buy 500 million Pfizer coronavirus vaccine doses to donate to the world
Gosh I hate to split hairs, but the taxpayers are buying those doses. Taxpayers and our future generations servicing the debt.
You're welcome, world.
@horace said in Vaccine Rollout:
the taxpayers are buying those doses
Wonder what that half-a-billion doses cost.
Pfizer is selling the doses to the United States at a “not-for-profit” price, according to the people familiar with the deal, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share details that were not yet public.
"Not-for-profit" ≠ "free."
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I'd happily not receive any more government stimulus checks if it pays for this.
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$15 - $20 cost per dose
500,000,000 x $16 (low end estimate) = $8,000,000,000
$8,000,000,000 / 141,000,000 US taxpayers
= about $56 each
@copper said in Vaccine Rollout:
$15 - $20 cost per dose
500,000,000 x $16 (low end estimate) = $8,000,000,000
$8,000,000,000 / 141,000,000 US taxpayers
= about $56 each
No, you and I are paying for 4-5 each... Soros and Bezos are pulling their resources for 1 shot...
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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/cities-reached-bidens-70-vaccination-goal/story?id=78195531
List of US cities that have crossed the 70% vaccination mark.
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High death tolls are good motivation.
Would be interesting to take a look at vaccination rates by race. At least down here, it seems like the black community has a better vaccination rate, especially in urban areas.
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High death tolls are good motivation.
Would be interesting to take a look at vaccination rates by race. At least down here, it seems like the black community has a better vaccination rate, especially in urban areas.
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@copper said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
the black community has a better vaccination rate
Meaning higher?
Yep. New Orleans got their attention, IMO.
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@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
Don't know. Got a link?
Over 99% actually. But I hear ivermectin is a miracle drug.
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@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
Don't know. Got a link?
Over 99% actually. But I hear ivermectin is a miracle drug.
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
Don't know. Got a link?
Over 99% actually. But I hear ivermectin is a miracle drug.
When you got nothing else....Cuz' I got my doubts about Remdesivir...
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When somebody would rather take Invermectin or HCQ than get vaccinated, you've got to think there's something amiss....
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When somebody would rather take Invermectin or HCQ than get vaccinated, you've got to think there's something amiss....
@doctor-phibes said in Vaccine Rollout:
When somebody would rather take Invermectin or HCQ than get vaccinated, you've got to think there's something amiss.
Agreed. But the two should not be exclusionary.
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@doctor-phibes said in Vaccine Rollout:
When somebody would rather take Invermectin or HCQ than get vaccinated, you've got to think there's something amiss.
Agreed. But the two should not be exclusionary.
@george-k said in Vaccine Rollout:
@doctor-phibes said in Vaccine Rollout:
When somebody would rather take Invermectin or HCQ than get vaccinated, you've got to think there's something amiss.
Agreed. But the two should not be exclusionary.
Agree. And it’s very important for other countries who have much less access to the vaccine.
In the US, however, the vaccine is the clear winner by a country mile.
It’s unnerving to see the anti-vaxxers spread all this nonsense that makes it look like alt medicines are a better path. I also wasted some time this weekend looking at the wild fire spread of magnet nonsense with the vaccine. Worse yet one should watch the HBO documentary on Q Anon and 8 Chan. The people imvolved speak for themselves and one quickly realizes these people are about as uneducated to reality as it gets but somehow have tapped into the reptilian brain of a subset of people…almost schizophrenia…where people see and hear things that are clinically insane.
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@xenon said in Vaccine Rollout:
Agreed on the taxpayer part. But, this is one bill I’m happy to pay.
Exactly. I think this is great what the US is doing. The world is so combined now, that the quicker the total world gets back to normal, the better it is for the US. And somewhat joking (but not really) US total spending Sept 2019 - Sept 2020 was USD$6.55 TRILLION. USD$8B out of that is about 0.1% (if I did my math correct).
The amount of positive economic effects, foreign relation effects, etc. are much more "bang for the buck" than many of the things that the US government does.
