Vaccine Rollout
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@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
So around 3% of reported cases are breakthrough cases. Is that statistically significant? I have to imagine that would be since we can guess that there are more cases that are not being reported since vaccinated individuals are being tested less and will probably be more likely to pass symptoms off as cold or allergies. Still, even if it's only 3% and the number holds nationally, that's 22000 breakthrough cases in the last month alone. Not 10,000 cases since January like the CDC tried to pass of last week...
Beyond that, if new cases are 30 times higher for non-vaccinated, one would expect hospitalizations to be 30 times higher for non-vaccinated. The 21% number would tend to indicate that the confirmed breakthrough cases are more likely to be serious cases, which would make sense since they are more likely to be symptomatic, otherwise why be tested?
Am I alone in thinking there are probably a fair number of untested and unreported breakthrough cases?
wrote on 6 Jun 2021, 22:00 last edited by Loki 6 Jun 2021, 22:01@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
So around 3% of reported cases are breakthrough cases. Is that statistically significant? I have to imagine that would be since we can guess that there are more cases that are not being reported since vaccinated individuals are being tested less and will probably be more likely to pass symptoms off as cold or allergies. Still, even if it's only 3% and the number holds nationally, that's 22000 breakthrough cases in the last month alone. Not 10,000 cases since January like the CDC tried to pass of last week...
Beyond that, if new cases are 30 times higher for non-vaccinated, one would expect hospitalizations to be 30 times higher for non-vaccinated. The 21% number would tend to indicate that the confirmed breakthrough cases are more likely to be serious cases, which would make sense since they are more likely to be symptomatic, otherwise why be tested?
Am I alone in thinking there are probably a fair number of untested and unreported breakthrough cases?
I don’t know where you get your number but 0.3% is likely the right number.
People are in fact dying needlessly now in the US because they refuse vaccination. They listened to the wrong people, it’s is truly a shame.
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@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
So around 3% of reported cases are breakthrough cases. Is that statistically significant? I have to imagine that would be since we can guess that there are more cases that are not being reported since vaccinated individuals are being tested less and will probably be more likely to pass symptoms off as cold or allergies. Still, even if it's only 3% and the number holds nationally, that's 22000 breakthrough cases in the last month alone. Not 10,000 cases since January like the CDC tried to pass of last week...
Beyond that, if new cases are 30 times higher for non-vaccinated, one would expect hospitalizations to be 30 times higher for non-vaccinated. The 21% number would tend to indicate that the confirmed breakthrough cases are more likely to be serious cases, which would make sense since they are more likely to be symptomatic, otherwise why be tested?
Am I alone in thinking there are probably a fair number of untested and unreported breakthrough cases?
I don’t know where you get your number but 0.3% is likely the right number.
People are in fact dying needlessly now in the US because they refuse vaccination. They listened to the wrong people, it’s is truly a shame.
wrote on 6 Jun 2021, 22:07 last edited by@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
People are in fact dying needlessly now in the US because they refuse vaccination.
Even more people are in fact dying needlessly now in the US because they are fat.
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@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
So around 3% of reported cases are breakthrough cases. Is that statistically significant? I have to imagine that would be since we can guess that there are more cases that are not being reported since vaccinated individuals are being tested less and will probably be more likely to pass symptoms off as cold or allergies. Still, even if it's only 3% and the number holds nationally, that's 22000 breakthrough cases in the last month alone. Not 10,000 cases since January like the CDC tried to pass of last week...
Beyond that, if new cases are 30 times higher for non-vaccinated, one would expect hospitalizations to be 30 times higher for non-vaccinated. The 21% number would tend to indicate that the confirmed breakthrough cases are more likely to be serious cases, which would make sense since they are more likely to be symptomatic, otherwise why be tested?
Am I alone in thinking there are probably a fair number of untested and unreported breakthrough cases?
I don’t know where you get your number but 0.3% is likely the right number.
People are in fact dying needlessly now in the US because they refuse vaccination. They listened to the wrong people, it’s is truly a shame.
wrote on 7 Jun 2021, 00:59 last edited by@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
So around 3% of reported cases are breakthrough cases. Is that statistically significant? I have to imagine that would be since we can guess that there are more cases that are not being reported since vaccinated individuals are being tested less and will probably be more likely to pass symptoms off as cold or allergies. Still, even if it's only 3% and the number holds nationally, that's 22000 breakthrough cases in the last month alone. Not 10,000 cases since January like the CDC tried to pass of last week...
Beyond that, if new cases are 30 times higher for non-vaccinated, one would expect hospitalizations to be 30 times higher for non-vaccinated. The 21% number would tend to indicate that the confirmed breakthrough cases are more likely to be serious cases, which would make sense since they are more likely to be symptomatic, otherwise why be tested?
Am I alone in thinking there are probably a fair number of untested and unreported breakthrough cases?
I don’t know where you get your number but 0.3% is likely the right number.
I suggest you read your own article.
If 97% of cases are coming from people that haven’t gotten”the shot” as the headline proclaims, then the remainder have. It’s pretty simple math. You described the “super spreader event” among vaccinated people, yourself.
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Despite White House chest-thumping and media praise for his plan to have enough vaccinations for all Americans by the end of last month, President Joe Biden’s goal was just a day better than former President Donald Trump’s plan and has followed the former administration’s script nearly exactly.
That plan, which cut vaccination development and distribution from the normal 10 years to just 10 months, was a “great American success story of grit and innovation,” according to a new analysis of “Operation Warp Speed,” Trump’s gamble to shake up the process.
In a new insider analysis, retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, a former coronavirus task force member and national security adviser to task force chief former Vice President Mike Pence, said the Trump team cast aside doubts and missed opportunities by previous administrations to work with drug companies and distributors to speed COVID-19 vaccines.
Trump, Kellogg told Secrets, "knew he had a serious issue going on, but he didn't want to project panic or concern. You want to project confidence going forward, and he did that."
The analysis, provided to Secrets today, said Operation Warp Speed helped to save $2.4 trillion from the costs of typical vaccine development and got shots into arms by Jan. 11, just one year after the World Health Organization identified the disease originated in China.
“OWS shattered the status quo. Its impact can only be fully understood when viewed in the context of where the country and the medical community were in terms of vaccine development and pandemic planning when COVID-19 struck,” said the report, produced by the pro-Trump America First Policy Institute and co-written by Kellogg, who heads the institute’s Center for American Security.
The 25-page report does not directly criticize previous administrations and their lack of preparation for a worldwide pandemic, nor mention critics of Trump’s vaccine plan, such as Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
wrote on 7 Jun 2021, 01:10 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Jul 2021, 03:08@george-k said in Vaccine Rollout:
Despite White House chest-thumping and media praise for his plan to have enough vaccinations for all Americans by the end of last month, President Joe Biden’s goal was just a day better than former President Donald Trump’s plan and has followed the former administration’s script nearly exactly.
That plan, which cut vaccination development and distribution from the normal 10 years to just 10 months, was a “great American success story of grit and innovation,” according to a new analysis of “Operation Warp Speed,” Trump’s gamble to shake up the process.
In a new insider analysis, retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, a former coronavirus task force member and national security adviser to task force chief former Vice President Mike Pence, said the Trump team cast aside doubts and missed opportunities by previous administrations to work with drug companies and distributors to speed COVID-19 vaccines.
Trump, Kellogg told Secrets, "knew he had a serious issue going on, but he didn't want to project panic or concern. You want to project confidence going forward, and he did that."
The analysis, provided to Secrets today, said Operation Warp Speed helped to save $2.4 trillion from the costs of typical vaccine development and got shots into arms by Jan. 11, just one year after the World Health Organization identified the disease originated in China.
“OWS shattered the status quo. Its impact can only be fully understood when viewed in the context of where the country and the medical community were in terms of vaccine development and pandemic planning when COVID-19 struck,” said the report, produced by the pro-Trump America First Policy Institute and co-written by Kellogg, who heads the institute’s Center for American Security.
The 25-page report does not directly criticize previous administrations and their lack of preparation for a worldwide pandemic, nor mention critics of Trump’s vaccine plan, such as Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
tl;dr: Former Trump adviser gives Trump credit for entire rollout.
In January Biden’s 100MM shots in 100 days plan was criticized for being precisely the same as Trumps. Then the administration accelerated it and crushed that goal. Now they want to say the accelerated plan was Trumps too? Seems like if that were true the messaging in January would have been different, no?
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@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
So around 3% of reported cases are breakthrough cases. Is that statistically significant? I have to imagine that would be since we can guess that there are more cases that are not being reported since vaccinated individuals are being tested less and will probably be more likely to pass symptoms off as cold or allergies. Still, even if it's only 3% and the number holds nationally, that's 22000 breakthrough cases in the last month alone. Not 10,000 cases since January like the CDC tried to pass of last week...
Beyond that, if new cases are 30 times higher for non-vaccinated, one would expect hospitalizations to be 30 times higher for non-vaccinated. The 21% number would tend to indicate that the confirmed breakthrough cases are more likely to be serious cases, which would make sense since they are more likely to be symptomatic, otherwise why be tested?
Am I alone in thinking there are probably a fair number of untested and unreported breakthrough cases?
wrote on 7 Jun 2021, 03:01 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
So around 3% of reported cases are breakthrough cases. Is that statistically significant? I have to imagine that would be since we can guess that there are more cases that are not being reported since vaccinated individuals are being tested less and will probably be more likely to pass symptoms off as cold or allergies. Still, even if it's only 3% and the number holds nationally, that's 22000 breakthrough cases in the last month alone. Not 10,000 cases since January like the CDC tried to pass of last week...
Beyond that, if new cases are 30 times higher for non-vaccinated, one would expect hospitalizations to be 30 times higher for non-vaccinated. The 21% number would tend to indicate that the confirmed breakthrough cases are more likely to be serious cases, which would make sense since they are more likely to be symptomatic, otherwise why be tested?
Am I alone in thinking there are probably a fair number of untested and unreported breakthrough cases?
Your understanding of the part about the unvaccinated patients of COVID-19 being "21 times more likely to be hospitalized" than the their vaccinated cohort may be at fault.
It does not mean there are 21 times more unvaccinated patients of COVID-19 being hospitalized than vaccinated COVID-19 patients. It means that the fraction of unvaccinated COVID-19 patients being hospitalized is 21 times higher than the fraction of vaccinated COVID-19 patients being hospitalized.
It does not mean that, for every one vaccinated COVID-19 patient hospitalized there are 21 unvaccinated COVID-19 patients being hospitalized. It means that, if there are 1 patient out of 100 vaccinated COVID-19 patients get hospitalized, then there are 21 patients out of 100 unvaccinated COVID-19 patients get hospitalized.
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wrote on 9 Jun 2021, 22:38 last edited by
Biden administration to buy 500 million Pfizer coronavirus vaccine doses to donate to the world
“… The first 200 million doses will be distributed this year, with the subsequent 300 million shared in the first half of next year. The doses will be distributed by Covax, the World Health Organization-backed initiative to share doses around the globe, and they will be targeted at low- and middle-income countries. Pfizer is selling the doses to the U.S. at a “not-for-profit” price, according to the people familiar with the deal, …”
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Biden administration to buy 500 million Pfizer coronavirus vaccine doses to donate to the world
“… The first 200 million doses will be distributed this year, with the subsequent 300 million shared in the first half of next year. The doses will be distributed by Covax, the World Health Organization-backed initiative to share doses around the globe, and they will be targeted at low- and middle-income countries. Pfizer is selling the doses to the U.S. at a “not-for-profit” price, according to the people familiar with the deal, …”
wrote on 9 Jun 2021, 23:00 last edited by@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Biden administration to buy 500 million Pfizer coronavirus vaccine doses to donate to the world
Gosh I hate to split hairs, but the taxpayers are buying those doses. Taxpayers and our future generations servicing the debt.
You're welcome, world.
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@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Biden administration to buy 500 million Pfizer coronavirus vaccine doses to donate to the world
Gosh I hate to split hairs, but the taxpayers are buying those doses. Taxpayers and our future generations servicing the debt.
You're welcome, world.
wrote on 9 Jun 2021, 23:19 last edited by George K 6 Sept 2021, 23:20@horace said in Vaccine Rollout:
the taxpayers are buying those doses
Wonder what that half-a-billion doses cost.
Pfizer is selling the doses to the United States at a “not-for-profit” price, according to the people familiar with the deal, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share details that were not yet public.
"Not-for-profit" ≠ "free."
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wrote on 10 Jun 2021, 00:54 last edited by
Agreed on the taxpayer part. But, this is one bill I’m happy to pay.
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wrote on 10 Jun 2021, 01:30 last edited by
I'd happily not receive any more government stimulus checks if it pays for this.
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wrote on 10 Jun 2021, 01:50 last edited by Copper 6 Oct 2021, 01:50
$15 - $20 cost per dose
500,000,000 x $16 (low end estimate) = $8,000,000,000
$8,000,000,000 / 141,000,000 US taxpayers
= about $56 each
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$15 - $20 cost per dose
500,000,000 x $16 (low end estimate) = $8,000,000,000
$8,000,000,000 / 141,000,000 US taxpayers
= about $56 each
wrote on 10 Jun 2021, 02:52 last edited by@copper said in Vaccine Rollout:
$15 - $20 cost per dose
500,000,000 x $16 (low end estimate) = $8,000,000,000
$8,000,000,000 / 141,000,000 US taxpayers
= about $56 each
No, you and I are paying for 4-5 each... Soros and Bezos are pulling their resources for 1 shot...
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wrote on 13 Jun 2021, 13:36 last edited by
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/cities-reached-bidens-70-vaccination-goal/story?id=78195531
List of US cities that have crossed the 70% vaccination mark.
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wrote on 13 Jun 2021, 13:54 last edited by
High death tolls are good motivation.
Would be interesting to take a look at vaccination rates by race. At least down here, it seems like the black community has a better vaccination rate, especially in urban areas.
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High death tolls are good motivation.
Would be interesting to take a look at vaccination rates by race. At least down here, it seems like the black community has a better vaccination rate, especially in urban areas.
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wrote on 13 Jun 2021, 14:10 last edited by
@copper said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
the black community has a better vaccination rate
Meaning higher?
Yep. New Orleans got their attention, IMO.
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wrote on 13 Jun 2021, 17:17 last edited by
Almost all hospitalizations now are now for the unvaccinated.
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wrote on 13 Jun 2021, 17:52 last edited by
Don't know. Got a link?
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wrote on 13 Jun 2021, 18:05 last edited by
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
Don't know. Got a link?
Over 99% actually. But I hear ivermectin is a miracle drug.
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@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
Don't know. Got a link?
Over 99% actually. But I hear ivermectin is a miracle drug.
wrote on 13 Jun 2021, 20:34 last edited by@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
Don't know. Got a link?
Over 99% actually. But I hear ivermectin is a miracle drug.
When you got nothing else....Cuz' I got my doubts about Remdesivir...
