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What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 13:44 last edited by jon-nyc
    #35

    That's true LD, but two points:

    1. It's worse for men than women. You don't even hear discussion about that in terms of prioritization, it's not eve brought up and knocked down.

    2. DO we really know if race is an actual risk factor? Or is it a correlate of true risk factors? IOW they're more likely to live in dense areas, take more risks, not be able to work from home, etc.

    I'm guessing its the latter. In which case prioritizing based on actual risk factors should 'make them whole'.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • J jon-nyc
      23 Dec 2020, 13:19

      I was a little surprised that Trump’s plan did this too.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 13:45 last edited by
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      @jon-nyc said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

      I was a little surprised that Trump’s plan did this too.

      This is an important point because even the states that haven't announced a desire to discriminate based on race and ethnicity will do so anyway unless they modify Trump's plan.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        23 Dec 2020, 03:15

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        Axtremus
        wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 15:04 last edited by
        #37

        @jon-nyc said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

        Lead by example. Good.

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          Horace
          wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 15:11 last edited by
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          It’s a fine thing to say, but is clearly an easy virtue signal slam dunk which ranges from virtually cost free to personally beneficial, depending on one’s attitude about being an early vaccine adopter.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Loki
            wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 15:12 last edited by
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            No one is going to win the war of who should get the vaccine first. Therefore the best response is the one that feeds your base and gets you social media attention.

            Maybe we would learn just a little something if Omar and AOC would duke it out on who is right on this issue. The woke have their homework assignment as to which of the two get cancelled.

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            • J jon-nyc
              23 Dec 2020, 13:44

              That's true LD, but two points:

              1. It's worse for men than women. You don't even hear discussion about that in terms of prioritization, it's not eve brought up and knocked down.

              2. DO we really know if race is an actual risk factor? Or is it a correlate of true risk factors? IOW they're more likely to live in dense areas, take more risks, not be able to work from home, etc.

              I'm guessing its the latter. In which case prioritizing based on actual risk factors should 'make them whole'.

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 15:22 last edited by
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              @jon-nyc said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

              That's true LD, but two points:

              1. It's worse for men than women. You don't even hear discussion about that in terms of prioritization, it's not eve brought up and knocked down.

              2. DO we really know if race is an actual risk factor? Or is it a correlate of true risk factors? IOW they're more likely to live in dense areas, take more risks, not be able to work from home, etc.

              I'm guessing its the latter. In which case prioritizing based on actual risk factors should 'make them whole'.

              Depends on which minority group you are speaking of...

              My general understanding from friends at HHS is that there is a significantly higher risk for African Americans and a higher CFR. It's biological, not environmental... There is also a significantly higher risk in the Latino, Asian, and Pacific Islander communities as well, but this seems like it could be due to population density, work, etc... There may be a biological component as well, but less than with African Americans.

              Either way, African Americans aren't going to stop being black, and Hispanics aren't going to suddenly spread their family groups out so the risk factors remain...

              The Brad

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                Copper
                wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 18:22 last edited by
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                If the minority has more cases

                that is probably because they didn't use the mask

                and wash their hands for 20 seconds

                You want to reward them for this?

                They should be punished, they were told how to avoid the wu-flu

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 03:53 last edited by
                  #42

                  Yay, some states are prioritizing lives saved.

                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/29/covid-vaccine-priority-group-elderly/

                  Shame its only a few.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 04:59 last edited by
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                    I heard today that Massachusetts was prioritising the homeless, based on advice from epidemiologists, Apparently, most States aren't doing this.

                    I was only joking

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                    • D Doctor Phibes
                      30 Dec 2020, 04:59

                      I heard today that Massachusetts was prioritising the homeless, based on advice from epidemiologists, Apparently, most States aren't doing this.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 13:07 last edited by
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                      @doctor-phibes

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 13:33 last edited by
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                        I don't mind the homeless going first

                        As long as they have a nice skin color

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 31 Dec 2020, 15:05 last edited by
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                          A friend of mine with my underlying condition (Alpha-1) got his vaccine yesterday in TX. He's under 65 but has emphysema (he's not had a transplant).

                          If the CDC had had its way, he'd wait while we got every last 25 year old stock boy vaccinated.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                            22 Dec 2020, 16:13

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                            A Former User
                            wrote on 31 Dec 2020, 15:50 last edited by
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                            @aqua-letifer said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

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                            oh the hypocrisy runs deep with this one. Lol!

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                              31 Dec 2020, 15:50

                              @aqua-letifer said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

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                              oh the hypocrisy runs deep with this one. Lol!

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                              Loki
                              wrote on 31 Dec 2020, 16:57 last edited by
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                              @nobodyssock said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

                              @aqua-letifer said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

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                              oh the hypocrisy runs deep with this one. Lol!

                              You need to keep up. We dealt with this one a while ago.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 31 Dec 2020, 19:48 last edited by
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                                Two weeks ago Mount Sinai vaccinated a 20-something marketing employee, who posted it on Instagram.

                                Surely somebody’s grandmother would have been better served with that shot.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 31 Dec 2020, 19:56 last edited by
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                                  You know what? Millions of people will get vaccinated. There is going to be a tiny percentage that probably should have waited longer, letting others go ahead of them.

                                  I suspect the number is too small to even worry about.

                                  Much ado about nothing...

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 31 Dec 2020, 20:02 last edited by jon-nyc
                                    #51

                                    It really isn’t. The CDC plan, even as revised is highly political. 10s of millions mis-prioritized relative to a purely science-driven plan. That includes many - perhaps most - healthcare workers.

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      Loki
                                      wrote on 31 Dec 2020, 20:25 last edited by
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                                      If we only approved the astra Zeneca vaccine this would quickly become a moot point.

                                      I know all the talk before the election was to delay until it was safe. I suppose the FDA took that heart.

                                      Interesting how the focus still isn’t on quicker approval even in the week of the super virulent strain.

                                      Approve the vaccines and we will have more vaccines then we know what to do with. And stop the politics and look at the answer staring you in the face.

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 31 Dec 2020, 20:34 last edited by
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                                        translation: "Don't be political and criticize the CDC. Criticize the FDA instead"

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • J jon-nyc
                                          31 Dec 2020, 20:34

                                          translation: "Don't be political and criticize the CDC. Criticize the FDA instead"

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                                          Loki
                                          wrote on 31 Dec 2020, 21:06 last edited by
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                                          @jon-nyc said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

                                          translation: "Don't be political and criticize the CDC. Criticize the FDA instead"

                                          Can the CDC mandate how the states distribute the vaccine?

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