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What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 22 Dec 2020, 23:57 last edited by
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    Sweet. Let’s hope most of these essential workers don’t trust it so we can get to the people at greater risk and save more lives.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      jon-nyc
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      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        Copper
        wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 12:52 last edited by
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        Anti-vax kook

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          George K
          wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 13:04 last edited by
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          https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9070555/Half-states-want-prioritize-black-Hispanic-people-vaccine-rollout.html

          Every single US state is being advised to consider ethnic minorities as critical groups for vaccination with HALF prioritizing black and Hispanic residents over white...

          As a result, half of the nation's states have outlined plans that now prioritize black, Hispanic and indigenous residents over white people in some way, as the vaccine rollout begins.

          According to our analysis, 25 states have committed to a focus on racial and ethnic communities as they decided which groups should be prioritized in receiving a coronavirus vaccine dose.

          These include New Mexico, where collaboration with Native Americans is being prioritized; California, which has committed to ensuring black and Hispanic people have greater access to the vaccine; and Oregon, where health officials have said that ethnic minorities with have 'equitable access' to the shot.

          Some states have made even more specific plans to prioritize communities of color, with 12 states specifically mentioning efforts to partner with healthcare providers in areas with a large minority population to reach 'diverse populations', according to Kaiser Family Foundation.

          The CDC has also issued guidance on its Social Vulnerability Index (SVI) that uses 15 U.S. census variables to help local officials identify communities that may need support.

          It is being used in states such as Michigan where minority status and language spoken could be taken into consideration when deciding how high a priority you are for receiving a vaccine.

          Maine, in particular, has developed a 'Racial/Ethnic Minority COVID-19 Vaccination Plan' in an attempt to give a preference to groups that 'have experienced rates of disease that far exceed their representation in the population as a whole'.

          Just a reminder....
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          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            23 Dec 2020, 13:04

            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9070555/Half-states-want-prioritize-black-Hispanic-people-vaccine-rollout.html

            Every single US state is being advised to consider ethnic minorities as critical groups for vaccination with HALF prioritizing black and Hispanic residents over white...

            As a result, half of the nation's states have outlined plans that now prioritize black, Hispanic and indigenous residents over white people in some way, as the vaccine rollout begins.

            According to our analysis, 25 states have committed to a focus on racial and ethnic communities as they decided which groups should be prioritized in receiving a coronavirus vaccine dose.

            These include New Mexico, where collaboration with Native Americans is being prioritized; California, which has committed to ensuring black and Hispanic people have greater access to the vaccine; and Oregon, where health officials have said that ethnic minorities with have 'equitable access' to the shot.

            Some states have made even more specific plans to prioritize communities of color, with 12 states specifically mentioning efforts to partner with healthcare providers in areas with a large minority population to reach 'diverse populations', according to Kaiser Family Foundation.

            The CDC has also issued guidance on its Social Vulnerability Index (SVI) that uses 15 U.S. census variables to help local officials identify communities that may need support.

            It is being used in states such as Michigan where minority status and language spoken could be taken into consideration when deciding how high a priority you are for receiving a vaccine.

            Maine, in particular, has developed a 'Racial/Ethnic Minority COVID-19 Vaccination Plan' in an attempt to give a preference to groups that 'have experienced rates of disease that far exceed their representation in the population as a whole'.

            Just a reminder....
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            Copper
            wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 13:18 last edited by
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            @george-k said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

            The CDC has also issued guidance on its Social Vulnerability Index (SVI) that uses 15 U.S. census variables to help local officials identify communities that may need support.

            I hope you guys remembered to identify as vulnerable person when you completed your census form.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 13:19 last edited by
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              I was a little surprised that Trump’s plan did this too.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 13:35 last edited by
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                In all fairness, it seems that minorities are at a greater health risk for the disease and it is also spreading faster through their communities.

                As for the politicians, I understand the optics, but continuity and a functioning government are vital to beating this disease (too bad we haven’t had a functioning government in decades...) and 1000 vaccines going to officials is s drop in the bucket. If it’s causing a delay, it can be measured by the hour, not by days or weeks...

                The Brad

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 13:44 last edited by jon-nyc
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                  That's true LD, but two points:

                  1. It's worse for men than women. You don't even hear discussion about that in terms of prioritization, it's not eve brought up and knocked down.

                  2. DO we really know if race is an actual risk factor? Or is it a correlate of true risk factors? IOW they're more likely to live in dense areas, take more risks, not be able to work from home, etc.

                  I'm guessing its the latter. In which case prioritizing based on actual risk factors should 'make them whole'.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                    23 Dec 2020, 13:19

                    I was a little surprised that Trump’s plan did this too.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 13:45 last edited by
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                    @jon-nyc said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

                    I was a little surprised that Trump’s plan did this too.

                    This is an important point because even the states that haven't announced a desire to discriminate based on race and ethnicity will do so anyway unless they modify Trump's plan.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      23 Dec 2020, 03:15

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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 15:04 last edited by
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                      @jon-nyc said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

                      Lead by example. Good.

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 15:11 last edited by
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                        It’s a fine thing to say, but is clearly an easy virtue signal slam dunk which ranges from virtually cost free to personally beneficial, depending on one’s attitude about being an early vaccine adopter.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Loki
                          wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 15:12 last edited by
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                          No one is going to win the war of who should get the vaccine first. Therefore the best response is the one that feeds your base and gets you social media attention.

                          Maybe we would learn just a little something if Omar and AOC would duke it out on who is right on this issue. The woke have their homework assignment as to which of the two get cancelled.

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                            23 Dec 2020, 13:44

                            That's true LD, but two points:

                            1. It's worse for men than women. You don't even hear discussion about that in terms of prioritization, it's not eve brought up and knocked down.

                            2. DO we really know if race is an actual risk factor? Or is it a correlate of true risk factors? IOW they're more likely to live in dense areas, take more risks, not be able to work from home, etc.

                            I'm guessing its the latter. In which case prioritizing based on actual risk factors should 'make them whole'.

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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 15:22 last edited by
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                            @jon-nyc said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

                            That's true LD, but two points:

                            1. It's worse for men than women. You don't even hear discussion about that in terms of prioritization, it's not eve brought up and knocked down.

                            2. DO we really know if race is an actual risk factor? Or is it a correlate of true risk factors? IOW they're more likely to live in dense areas, take more risks, not be able to work from home, etc.

                            I'm guessing its the latter. In which case prioritizing based on actual risk factors should 'make them whole'.

                            Depends on which minority group you are speaking of...

                            My general understanding from friends at HHS is that there is a significantly higher risk for African Americans and a higher CFR. It's biological, not environmental... There is also a significantly higher risk in the Latino, Asian, and Pacific Islander communities as well, but this seems like it could be due to population density, work, etc... There may be a biological component as well, but less than with African Americans.

                            Either way, African Americans aren't going to stop being black, and Hispanics aren't going to suddenly spread their family groups out so the risk factors remain...

                            The Brad

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                              Copper
                              wrote on 23 Dec 2020, 18:22 last edited by
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                              If the minority has more cases

                              that is probably because they didn't use the mask

                              and wash their hands for 20 seconds

                              You want to reward them for this?

                              They should be punished, they were told how to avoid the wu-flu

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 03:53 last edited by
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                                Yay, some states are prioritizing lives saved.

                                https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/29/covid-vaccine-priority-group-elderly/

                                Shame its only a few.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 04:59 last edited by
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                                  I heard today that Massachusetts was prioritising the homeless, based on advice from epidemiologists, Apparently, most States aren't doing this.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    30 Dec 2020, 04:59

                                    I heard today that Massachusetts was prioritising the homeless, based on advice from epidemiologists, Apparently, most States aren't doing this.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 13:07 last edited by
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                                    @doctor-phibes

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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 13:33 last edited by
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                                      I don't mind the homeless going first

                                      As long as they have a nice skin color

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 31 Dec 2020, 15:05 last edited by
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                                        A friend of mine with my underlying condition (Alpha-1) got his vaccine yesterday in TX. He's under 65 but has emphysema (he's not had a transplant).

                                        If the CDC had had its way, he'd wait while we got every last 25 year old stock boy vaccinated.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                          wrote on 31 Dec 2020, 15:50 last edited by
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                                          @aqua-letifer said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

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                                          oh the hypocrisy runs deep with this one. Lol!

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