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What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    I disagree with her on many things, but she's always struck me as being a reasonable person:

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Please love yourself.

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      • AxtremusA Offline
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        https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/22/fauci-azar-receive-coronavirus-vaccines-449845

        Anthony Fauci and Alex Azar just got their vaccines.

        Do they need to be in front of the line so far ahead of @jon-nyc?

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        • HoraceH Online
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          I don’t really think any white male is morally eligible for a vaccine. It is time we, as a country, make some courageous and justified decisions to redress the horrible damage done by those people.

          Education is extremely important.

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            I don’t really think any white male is morally eligible for a vaccine. It is time we, as a country, make some courageous and justified decisions to redress the horrible damage done by those people.

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            Copper
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            #25

            @horace said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

            white male is morally eligible for a vaccine.

            I think some might be morally eligible for the vaccine.

            Not all, of course

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            • MikM Offline
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              Sure as hell not Jon. 😆

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                2/3 of Howard University Hospital workers won’t take the vaccine. Apparently our racist past is the cause of distrust.

                Ergo no one should get the vaccine. Which is the way we felt about it until one week after the election anyway.

                Don’t trust the vaccine was the mantra and now we have people all over the map on it. I guess that was Trumps fault too.

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  Sweet. Let’s hope most of these essential workers don’t trust it so we can get to the people at greater risk and save more lives.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      Anti-vax kook

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9070555/Half-states-want-prioritize-black-Hispanic-people-vaccine-rollout.html

                        Every single US state is being advised to consider ethnic minorities as critical groups for vaccination with HALF prioritizing black and Hispanic residents over white...

                        As a result, half of the nation's states have outlined plans that now prioritize black, Hispanic and indigenous residents over white people in some way, as the vaccine rollout begins.

                        According to our analysis, 25 states have committed to a focus on racial and ethnic communities as they decided which groups should be prioritized in receiving a coronavirus vaccine dose.

                        These include New Mexico, where collaboration with Native Americans is being prioritized; California, which has committed to ensuring black and Hispanic people have greater access to the vaccine; and Oregon, where health officials have said that ethnic minorities with have 'equitable access' to the shot.

                        Some states have made even more specific plans to prioritize communities of color, with 12 states specifically mentioning efforts to partner with healthcare providers in areas with a large minority population to reach 'diverse populations', according to Kaiser Family Foundation.

                        The CDC has also issued guidance on its Social Vulnerability Index (SVI) that uses 15 U.S. census variables to help local officials identify communities that may need support.

                        It is being used in states such as Michigan where minority status and language spoken could be taken into consideration when deciding how high a priority you are for receiving a vaccine.

                        Maine, in particular, has developed a 'Racial/Ethnic Minority COVID-19 Vaccination Plan' in an attempt to give a preference to groups that 'have experienced rates of disease that far exceed their representation in the population as a whole'.

                        Just a reminder....
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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9070555/Half-states-want-prioritize-black-Hispanic-people-vaccine-rollout.html

                          Every single US state is being advised to consider ethnic minorities as critical groups for vaccination with HALF prioritizing black and Hispanic residents over white...

                          As a result, half of the nation's states have outlined plans that now prioritize black, Hispanic and indigenous residents over white people in some way, as the vaccine rollout begins.

                          According to our analysis, 25 states have committed to a focus on racial and ethnic communities as they decided which groups should be prioritized in receiving a coronavirus vaccine dose.

                          These include New Mexico, where collaboration with Native Americans is being prioritized; California, which has committed to ensuring black and Hispanic people have greater access to the vaccine; and Oregon, where health officials have said that ethnic minorities with have 'equitable access' to the shot.

                          Some states have made even more specific plans to prioritize communities of color, with 12 states specifically mentioning efforts to partner with healthcare providers in areas with a large minority population to reach 'diverse populations', according to Kaiser Family Foundation.

                          The CDC has also issued guidance on its Social Vulnerability Index (SVI) that uses 15 U.S. census variables to help local officials identify communities that may need support.

                          It is being used in states such as Michigan where minority status and language spoken could be taken into consideration when deciding how high a priority you are for receiving a vaccine.

                          Maine, in particular, has developed a 'Racial/Ethnic Minority COVID-19 Vaccination Plan' in an attempt to give a preference to groups that 'have experienced rates of disease that far exceed their representation in the population as a whole'.

                          Just a reminder....
                          Screen Shot 2020-12-23 at 7.04.26 AM.png Screen Shot 2020-12-23 at 7.04.01 AM.png

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                          Copper
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                          @george-k said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

                          The CDC has also issued guidance on its Social Vulnerability Index (SVI) that uses 15 U.S. census variables to help local officials identify communities that may need support.

                          I hope you guys remembered to identify as vulnerable person when you completed your census form.

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                            I was a little surprised that Trump’s plan did this too.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              In all fairness, it seems that minorities are at a greater health risk for the disease and it is also spreading faster through their communities.

                              As for the politicians, I understand the optics, but continuity and a functioning government are vital to beating this disease (too bad we haven’t had a functioning government in decades...) and 1000 vaccines going to officials is s drop in the bucket. If it’s causing a delay, it can be measured by the hour, not by days or weeks...

                              The Brad

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #35

                                That's true LD, but two points:

                                1. It's worse for men than women. You don't even hear discussion about that in terms of prioritization, it's not eve brought up and knocked down.

                                2. DO we really know if race is an actual risk factor? Or is it a correlate of true risk factors? IOW they're more likely to live in dense areas, take more risks, not be able to work from home, etc.

                                I'm guessing its the latter. In which case prioritizing based on actual risk factors should 'make them whole'.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  I was a little surprised that Trump’s plan did this too.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

                                  I was a little surprised that Trump’s plan did this too.

                                  This is an important point because even the states that haven't announced a desire to discriminate based on race and ethnicity will do so anyway unless they modify Trump's plan.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    @jon-nyc said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

                                    Lead by example. Good.

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                                    • HoraceH Online
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                                      It’s a fine thing to say, but is clearly an easy virtue signal slam dunk which ranges from virtually cost free to personally beneficial, depending on one’s attitude about being an early vaccine adopter.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        Loki
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                                        No one is going to win the war of who should get the vaccine first. Therefore the best response is the one that feeds your base and gets you social media attention.

                                        Maybe we would learn just a little something if Omar and AOC would duke it out on who is right on this issue. The woke have their homework assignment as to which of the two get cancelled.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          That's true LD, but two points:

                                          1. It's worse for men than women. You don't even hear discussion about that in terms of prioritization, it's not eve brought up and knocked down.

                                          2. DO we really know if race is an actual risk factor? Or is it a correlate of true risk factors? IOW they're more likely to live in dense areas, take more risks, not be able to work from home, etc.

                                          I'm guessing its the latter. In which case prioritizing based on actual risk factors should 'make them whole'.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in What’s with the prioritization of “essential” workers?:

                                          That's true LD, but two points:

                                          1. It's worse for men than women. You don't even hear discussion about that in terms of prioritization, it's not eve brought up and knocked down.

                                          2. DO we really know if race is an actual risk factor? Or is it a correlate of true risk factors? IOW they're more likely to live in dense areas, take more risks, not be able to work from home, etc.

                                          I'm guessing its the latter. In which case prioritizing based on actual risk factors should 'make them whole'.

                                          Depends on which minority group you are speaking of...

                                          My general understanding from friends at HHS is that there is a significantly higher risk for African Americans and a higher CFR. It's biological, not environmental... There is also a significantly higher risk in the Latino, Asian, and Pacific Islander communities as well, but this seems like it could be due to population density, work, etc... There may be a biological component as well, but less than with African Americans.

                                          Either way, African Americans aren't going to stop being black, and Hispanics aren't going to suddenly spread their family groups out so the risk factors remain...

                                          The Brad

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