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A 2025 Retrospective.

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    Jolly
    wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 22:59 last edited by
    #48

    I'm just laughing at y'all. While rural areas may not have some of the things the urban areas have, let me list a few things...

    1. Oil.
    2. Natural gas.
    3. Wheat
    4. Corn.
    5. Cattle
    6. Chickens.
    7. Coal
    8. Hogs.
    9. Rice
    10. Sugar
    11. Timber
    12. Etc.

    Now, I'm in a pretty rural area and the regional per capita income would never compare with Boston or New York. But...

    I can draw a 120 mile circle and encompass a couple of automotive manufacturing plants, a refinery, one of the largest gas fields in the country, one of the largest soap mills in the country, the largest private sawmill in the country, two plywood/OSB plants, one of the biggest specialty aluminum factories in the country, four power plants, linerboard mill, toilet paper mill, a copy paper mill and the largest concentration of chemical plants in the country. And there's lots more, big and small.

    Maybe y'all can import it, I don't know, but it looks to me that if y'all can't import it, you're going to starve in the dark, without anything to wipe your backside except your worthless, fiat money.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • J Jolly
      28 Dec 2020, 22:59

      I'm just laughing at y'all. While rural areas may not have some of the things the urban areas have, let me list a few things...

      1. Oil.
      2. Natural gas.
      3. Wheat
      4. Corn.
      5. Cattle
      6. Chickens.
      7. Coal
      8. Hogs.
      9. Rice
      10. Sugar
      11. Timber
      12. Etc.

      Now, I'm in a pretty rural area and the regional per capita income would never compare with Boston or New York. But...

      I can draw a 120 mile circle and encompass a couple of automotive manufacturing plants, a refinery, one of the largest gas fields in the country, one of the largest soap mills in the country, the largest private sawmill in the country, two plywood/OSB plants, one of the biggest specialty aluminum factories in the country, four power plants, linerboard mill, toilet paper mill, a copy paper mill and the largest concentration of chemical plants in the country. And there's lots more, big and small.

      Maybe y'all can import it, I don't know, but it looks to me that if y'all can't import it, you're going to starve in the dark, without anything to wipe your backside except your worthless, fiat money.

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      Klaus
      wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:25 last edited by
      #49

      @jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

      Oil.
      Natural gas.
      Wheat
      Corn.
      Cattle
      Chickens.
      Coal
      Hogs.
      Rice
      Sugar
      Timber
      Etc.

      And how much of those things could be produced without the technology, education, finance etc. mainly provided by cities? You are looking at standards of living from 300 years ago.

      Have you ever climbed the stairs of the Eiffel tower? If the steps were labeled "countryside" or "city", you are claiming that you can reach the top merely because the bottommost step is labeled "countryside".

      Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.

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        George K
        wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:27 last edited by
        #50

        I was assured that the Republicans are the party of the rich.

        :man-shrugging:

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • K Klaus
          28 Dec 2020, 23:25

          @jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

          Oil.
          Natural gas.
          Wheat
          Corn.
          Cattle
          Chickens.
          Coal
          Hogs.
          Rice
          Sugar
          Timber
          Etc.

          And how much of those things could be produced without the technology, education, finance etc. mainly provided by cities? You are looking at standards of living from 300 years ago.

          Have you ever climbed the stairs of the Eiffel tower? If the steps were labeled "countryside" or "city", you are claiming that you can reach the top merely because the bottommost step is labeled "countryside".

          Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.

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          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:40 last edited by
          #51

          @klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

          Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.

          I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.

          Please love yourself.

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          • A Aqua Letifer
            28 Dec 2020, 23:40

            @klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

            Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.

            I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:46 last edited by
            #52

            @aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

            @klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

            Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.

            I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.

            Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?

            That is the question.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • J Jolly
              28 Dec 2020, 23:46

              @aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

              @klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

              Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.

              I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.

              Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?

              That is the question.

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              Klaus
              wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:49 last edited by
              #53

              @jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

              Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?

              As I said, the first step is labeled "countryside".

              But life in it would look nothing like today's countryside.

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              • J jon-nyc
                3 Dec 2020, 15:14

                Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world. Then sure, farms win.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:50 last edited by
                #54

                @jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world.

                Like I said above...

                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                • J jon-nyc
                  28 Dec 2020, 23:50

                  @jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                  Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world.

                  Like I said above...

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:56 last edited by
                  #55

                  @jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                  @jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                  Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world.

                  Like I said above...

                  Not that simple. Y'all continue to underestimate food, energy, chemical and manufacturing capacity of those red counties.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • J Jolly
                    28 Dec 2020, 23:46

                    @aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                    @klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                    Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.

                    I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.

                    Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?

                    That is the question.

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                    Aqua Letifer
                    wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 00:06 last edited by
                    #56

                    @jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                    It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
                    That is the question.

                    I realize that's probably a huge hope for you, but I'm sorry to tell you that's very unlikely. Show me all the evidence in the world, and I'm going to counter with the long list of cities in America that continue to exist.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • A Aqua Letifer
                      29 Dec 2020, 00:06

                      @jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                      It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
                      That is the question.

                      I realize that's probably a huge hope for you, but I'm sorry to tell you that's very unlikely. Show me all the evidence in the world, and I'm going to counter with the long list of cities in America that continue to exist.

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                      A Former User
                      wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 00:17 last edited by
                      #57

                      Link to video

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                      • K Klaus
                        28 Dec 2020, 23:49

                        @jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                        Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?

                        As I said, the first step is labeled "countryside".

                        But life in it would look nothing like today's countryside.

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                        Larry
                        wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 00:32 last edited by
                        #58

                        @klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                        @jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                        Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?

                        As I said, the first step is labeled "countryside".

                        But life in it would look nothing like today's countryside.

                        And by the same token, life in the city wouldn't be what it is today without the countryside. But the only time those in the countryside says anything is when city folk start up their "we're better educated, richer, and just plain better than you" crap. That's when we will remind city folk they have no reason to get all snooty, they make more money because it costs more to live there, and it costs more to live their because they keep voting for democrats, which causes those of us in the countryside to question their intelligence.....

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 01:30 last edited by
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                          @Jolly, @Larry, since you two claim to operate farms, what would it be like if you operate your farm without using any technology from “big city” for, say a year?

                          For example, no refined fossil fuel, no internal combustion engine, no mass produced chemical fertilizer, no mass produced chemical insecticide, no genetically modified/enhanced seeds, no antibiotics and no artificial hormones for the farm animals, no taking advantage of weather and climate forecasts made with “big city” technologies, no electronic anything? (Not sure what restrictions to put on irrigation, not sure how much “big city” water distribution and filtration systems and technologies you rely on these days anyway.)

                          Might be very interesting to just try it for a year, and show ‘em city boys what’s possible without the cities. And it might give you great material to write a book and go onto talk show circuits and pod casts to talk about this after your year long experiment. 🙂

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 01:33 last edited by
                            #60

                            Words fail.

                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                            • A Aqua Letifer
                              29 Dec 2020, 00:06

                              @jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                              It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
                              That is the question.

                              I realize that's probably a huge hope for you, but I'm sorry to tell you that's very unlikely. Show me all the evidence in the world, and I'm going to counter with the long list of cities in America that continue to exist.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 01:34 last edited by
                              #61

                              @aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                              I'm going to counter with the long list of cities in America that continue to exist.

                              Or Jericho, 10,000 years later....

                              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                              • M Mik
                                29 Dec 2020, 01:33

                                Words fail.

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                                Axtremus
                                wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 01:41 last edited by
                                #62

                                @mik said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                                Words fail.

                                Try:

                                • A thesaurus
                                • Building up your vocabulary
                                • Learning a foreign language (presumably after you exhausted English words)
                                • Pictures / graphics
                                • Motion pictures / animated graphics, you can even add sound to this!
                                • Interpretive dance
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                                • G George K
                                  28 Dec 2020, 23:27

                                  I was assured that the Republicans are the party of the rich.

                                  :man-shrugging:

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                                  Rich
                                  wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 02:47 last edited by
                                  #63

                                  @george-k lol, that was my first reaction to that graph.

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                                  • A Axtremus
                                    29 Dec 2020, 01:41

                                    @mik said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                                    Words fail.

                                    Try:

                                    • A thesaurus
                                    • Building up your vocabulary
                                    • Learning a foreign language (presumably after you exhausted English words)
                                    • Pictures / graphics
                                    • Motion pictures / animated graphics, you can even add sound to this!
                                    • Interpretive dance
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                                    Aqua Letifer
                                    wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 02:53 last edited by
                                    #64

                                    @axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                                    @mik said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                                    Words fail.

                                    Try:

                                    • A thesaurus
                                    • Building up your vocabulary
                                    • Learning a foreign language (presumably after you exhausted English words)
                                    • Pictures / graphics
                                    • Motion pictures / animated graphics, you can even add sound to this!
                                    • Interpretive dance

                                    Ax, you willingly watch movies like The First Time. Please stop trying to be funny, it's embarrassing.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 03:02 last edited by
                                      #65

                                      Interesting that the richest Trump county is on Long Island.

                                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                      • G George K
                                        28 Dec 2020, 23:27

                                        I was assured that the Republicans are the party of the rich.

                                        :man-shrugging:

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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 03:05 last edited by
                                        #66

                                        @george-k said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                                        I was assured that the Republicans are the party of the rich.

                                        :man-shrugging:

                                        I was assured that the Republicans all give, whereas the Democrats all take.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • A Aqua Letifer
                                          29 Dec 2020, 02:53

                                          @axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                                          @mik said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                                          Words fail.

                                          Try:

                                          • A thesaurus
                                          • Building up your vocabulary
                                          • Learning a foreign language (presumably after you exhausted English words)
                                          • Pictures / graphics
                                          • Motion pictures / animated graphics, you can even add sound to this!
                                          • Interpretive dance

                                          Ax, you willingly watch movies like The First Time. Please stop trying to be funny, it's embarrassing.

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                                          Axtremus
                                          wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 03:18 last edited by
                                          #67

                                          @aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:

                                          Ax, you willingly watch movies like The First Time. Please stop trying to be funny, it's embarrassing.

                                          Dance like no one is watching. Post like no one is reading.

                                          BTW, have you watched "The Art of Self Defense"?
                                          I watched it in a theater back in 2019, but I believe it is available on streaming services now. Give it a try, I think you'll like it. 🙂

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