A 2025 Retrospective.
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wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:27 last edited by
I was assured that the Republicans are the party of the rich.
:man-shrugging:
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@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Oil.
Natural gas.
Wheat
Corn.
Cattle
Chickens.
Coal
Hogs.
Rice
Sugar
Timber
Etc.And how much of those things could be produced without the technology, education, finance etc. mainly provided by cities? You are looking at standards of living from 300 years ago.
Have you ever climbed the stairs of the Eiffel tower? If the steps were labeled "countryside" or "city", you are claiming that you can reach the top merely because the bottommost step is labeled "countryside".
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:40 last edited by@klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.
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@klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.
wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:46 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.
Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
That is the question.
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@aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.
Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
That is the question.
wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:49 last edited by@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
As I said, the first step is labeled "countryside".
But life in it would look nothing like today's countryside.
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Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world. Then sure, farms win.
wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:50 last edited by@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world.
Like I said above...
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@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world.
Like I said above...
wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 23:56 last edited by@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world.
Like I said above...
Not that simple. Y'all continue to underestimate food, energy, chemical and manufacturing capacity of those red counties.
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@aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.
Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
That is the question.
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 00:06 last edited by@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
That is the question.I realize that's probably a huge hope for you, but I'm sorry to tell you that's very unlikely. Show me all the evidence in the world, and I'm going to counter with the long list of cities in America that continue to exist.
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@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
That is the question.I realize that's probably a huge hope for you, but I'm sorry to tell you that's very unlikely. Show me all the evidence in the world, and I'm going to counter with the long list of cities in America that continue to exist.
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@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
As I said, the first step is labeled "countryside".
But life in it would look nothing like today's countryside.
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 00:32 last edited by@klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
As I said, the first step is labeled "countryside".
But life in it would look nothing like today's countryside.
And by the same token, life in the city wouldn't be what it is today without the countryside. But the only time those in the countryside says anything is when city folk start up their "we're better educated, richer, and just plain better than you" crap. That's when we will remind city folk they have no reason to get all snooty, they make more money because it costs more to live there, and it costs more to live their because they keep voting for democrats, which causes those of us in the countryside to question their intelligence.....
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wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 01:30 last edited by
@Jolly, @Larry, since you two claim to operate farms, what would it be like if you operate your farm without using any technology from “big city” for, say a year?
For example, no refined fossil fuel, no internal combustion engine, no mass produced chemical fertilizer, no mass produced chemical insecticide, no genetically modified/enhanced seeds, no antibiotics and no artificial hormones for the farm animals, no taking advantage of weather and climate forecasts made with “big city” technologies, no electronic anything? (Not sure what restrictions to put on irrigation, not sure how much “big city” water distribution and filtration systems and technologies you rely on these days anyway.)
Might be very interesting to just try it for a year, and show ‘em city boys what’s possible without the cities. And it might give you great material to write a book and go onto talk show circuits and pod casts to talk about this after your year long experiment.
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wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 01:33 last edited by
Words fail.
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@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
That is the question.I realize that's probably a huge hope for you, but I'm sorry to tell you that's very unlikely. Show me all the evidence in the world, and I'm going to counter with the long list of cities in America that continue to exist.
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 01:34 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
I'm going to counter with the long list of cities in America that continue to exist.
Or Jericho, 10,000 years later....
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wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 01:41 last edited by
@mik said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Words fail.
Try:
- A thesaurus
- Building up your vocabulary
- Learning a foreign language (presumably after you exhausted English words)
- Pictures / graphics
- Motion pictures / animated graphics, you can even add sound to this!
- Interpretive dance
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@mik said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Words fail.
Try:
- A thesaurus
- Building up your vocabulary
- Learning a foreign language (presumably after you exhausted English words)
- Pictures / graphics
- Motion pictures / animated graphics, you can even add sound to this!
- Interpretive dance
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 02:53 last edited by@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@mik said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Words fail.
Try:
- A thesaurus
- Building up your vocabulary
- Learning a foreign language (presumably after you exhausted English words)
- Pictures / graphics
- Motion pictures / animated graphics, you can even add sound to this!
- Interpretive dance
Ax, you willingly watch movies like The First Time. Please stop trying to be funny, it's embarrassing.
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wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 03:02 last edited by
Interesting that the richest Trump county is on Long Island.
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wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 03:05 last edited by
@george-k said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
I was assured that the Republicans are the party of the rich.
:man-shrugging:
I was assured that the Republicans all give, whereas the Democrats all take.
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@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@mik said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Words fail.
Try:
- A thesaurus
- Building up your vocabulary
- Learning a foreign language (presumably after you exhausted English words)
- Pictures / graphics
- Motion pictures / animated graphics, you can even add sound to this!
- Interpretive dance
Ax, you willingly watch movies like The First Time. Please stop trying to be funny, it's embarrassing.
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 03:18 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Ax, you willingly watch movies like The First Time. Please stop trying to be funny, it's embarrassing.
Dance like no one is watching. Post like no one is reading.
BTW, have you watched "The Art of Self Defense"?
I watched it in a theater back in 2019, but I believe it is available on streaming services now. Give it a try, I think you'll like it. -
@Jolly, @Larry, since you two claim to operate farms, what would it be like if you operate your farm without using any technology from “big city” for, say a year?
For example, no refined fossil fuel, no internal combustion engine, no mass produced chemical fertilizer, no mass produced chemical insecticide, no genetically modified/enhanced seeds, no antibiotics and no artificial hormones for the farm animals, no taking advantage of weather and climate forecasts made with “big city” technologies, no electronic anything? (Not sure what restrictions to put on irrigation, not sure how much “big city” water distribution and filtration systems and technologies you rely on these days anyway.)
Might be very interesting to just try it for a year, and show ‘em city boys what’s possible without the cities. And it might give you great material to write a book and go onto talk show circuits and pod casts to talk about this after your year long experiment.
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 03:29 last edited by Larry@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Jolly, @Larry, since you two claim to operate farms, what would it be like if you operate your farm without using any technology from “big city” for, say a year?
For example, no refined fossil fuel, no internal combustion engine, no mass produced chemical fertilizer, no mass produced chemical insecticide, no genetically modified/enhanced seeds, no antibiotics and no artificial hormones for the farm animals, no taking advantage of weather and climate forecasts made with “big city” technologies, no electronic anything? (Not sure what restrictions to put on irrigation, not sure how much “big city” water distribution and filtration systems and technologies you rely on these days anyway.)
Might be very interesting to just try it for a year, and show ‘em city boys what’s possible without the cities. And it might give you great material to write a book and go onto talk show circuits and pod casts to talk about this after your year long experiment.
I don't "claim" do shit. Nor do I operate "farms". I DO own A farm, and in looking over your list, you proved how clueless and utterly useless you city boys are.
I'm quite sure the invention of the combustion engine did not require a city location. I'm equally certain antibiotics, fertilizer, insecticide, seeds, etc didn't result from the existence of cities. Wouldn't know about hormones, as I don't use them. If we got rid of all you city boys there wouldn't be a need for hormones in the first place. But come to think of it.. maybe the reason you city boys are such sissies is all that estrogen in the meat you're eating....
I don't need "big city weather technology" because I can tell when it's raining all by myself. Don't need irrigation, as plenty of water runs through the property, and the weather here is good. Don't need to filter the water either, because I don't have a pile of city boys pissing in my creek. Electricity is nice, can you point to a city with a major power generator in It? From what I've seen, most power is generated in rural areas.
I HAVE had city boys try to tell me how to run things though, like the time I got a letter from some city boy sitting in an office in Washington, telling me I couldn't put in a pond where I wanted to. I wanted to put it in a low spot that caught runoff so it would have fresh water flow. He wanted me to get on top of a hill and dig a hole. I told him the same thing I'm going to tell you:
"You don't know shit about this, so shut up."
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@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Jolly, @Larry, since you two claim to operate farms, what would it be like if you operate your farm without using any technology from “big city” for, say a year?
For example, no refined fossil fuel, no internal combustion engine, no mass produced chemical fertilizer, no mass produced chemical insecticide, no genetically modified/enhanced seeds, no antibiotics and no artificial hormones for the farm animals, no taking advantage of weather and climate forecasts made with “big city” technologies, no electronic anything? (Not sure what restrictions to put on irrigation, not sure how much “big city” water distribution and filtration systems and technologies you rely on these days anyway.)
Might be very interesting to just try it for a year, and show ‘em city boys what’s possible without the cities. And it might give you great material to write a book and go onto talk show circuits and pod casts to talk about this after your year long experiment.
I don't "claim" do shit. Nor do I operate "farms". I DO own A farm, and in looking over your list, you proved how clueless and utterly useless you city boys are.
I'm quite sure the invention of the combustion engine did not require a city location. I'm equally certain antibiotics, fertilizer, insecticide, seeds, etc didn't result from the existence of cities. Wouldn't know about hormones, as I don't use them. If we got rid of all you city boys there wouldn't be a need for hormones in the first place. But come to think of it.. maybe the reason you city boys are such sissies is all that estrogen in the meat you're eating....
I don't need "big city weather technology" because I can tell when it's raining all by myself. Don't need irrigation, as plenty of water runs through the property, and the weather here is good. Don't need to filter the water either, because I don't have a pile of city boys pissing in my creek. Electricity is nice, can you point to a city with a major power generator in It? From what I've seen, most power is generated in rural areas.
I HAVE had city boys try to tell me how to run things though, like the time I got a letter from some city boy sitting in an office in Washington, telling me I couldn't put in a pond where I wanted to. I wanted to put it in a low spot that caught runoff so it would have fresh water flow. He wanted me to get on top of a hill and dig a hole. I told him the same thing I'm going to tell you:
"You don't know shit about this, so shut up."
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 04:08 last edited by@larry said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
I'm quite sure the invention of the combustion engine did not require a city location. I'm equally certain antibiotics, fertilizer, insecticide, seeds, etc didn't result from the existence of cities.
You have just demonstrated much ignorance right there. The production of maintenance of internal combustion engines definitely depend on "big cities." Take the spark plugs, for example, they wear out every so often. You try making a spark plug without "big city" resources and see how well you do.
The production of antibiotics sure depend on "big city" technologies and resources. You try making your own antibiotics without relying on equipment and technologies sourced from any "big city" and see how far you get.
Fertilizers ... if you use manure, sure; but I wrote "mass produced chemical fertilizer." Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any fertilizer that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
Insecticide ... not even sure if there is any naturally occurring insecticide for you to effectively cover a farm; I wrote "mass produced chemical insecticide". Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any insecticide that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
You gotta learn to read properly.
Electricity is nice, can you point to a city with a major power generator in It? From what I've seen, most power is generated in rural areas.
The generators, even when located in rural areas, are built with "big city" technologies. The electromechanical and electronic control parts used in electrical generation plants are produced with "big city" technologies and resources. Relay stations, voltage conversion and voltage regulation stations, all rely on parts and control systems built on "big city" technologies.
Why do you even bring up "electricity"? I wrote "electronic" in my post, not "electricity," not "electrical." You gotta learn the difference. You can actually produce electricity with, say, a steam engine or a water stream turning a fairly simple generator (simple enough to build with basic casting and metallurgy). I am fairly certain that relatively small scale generation of electricity is quite possible without "big city" technologies and resources. The "electronics" are the hard things to produce without "big city" technologies and resources.