We'll let POTUS know later
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@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Ah, no they didn’t.
Read the fucking release. Or even just the quote I lifted from it.
I read the fucking release. I also read the fucking back tracking the fucking CEO of fucking Pfizer was forced to put out when they got fucking called out for fucking lying.
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@Larry said in We'll let POTUS know later:
It's still not clear that Biden won anything.
Y’all can take as much time as you need to traverse the stages of grief, but you can’t expect the world to pause while you do.
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So here’s the company’s statement:
Pfizer is one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine," Castillo said in an email. "While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D was made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen was emphasizing that last point."
So yeah, “participating” in that the purchase of the doses, assuming it occurs, will come from that money.
But Pfizer is correct that they received no money. They got a PO. With conditions that haven’t been met yet.
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Seems disrespectful even for a lame duck, but not particularly consequential.
I'd like to know his motivations. Might be something as simple as Biden could be trusted not to announce the news before the company did.
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@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:
So here’s the company’s statement:
Pfizer is one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine," Castillo said in an email. "While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D was made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen was emphasizing that last point."
So yeah, “participating” in that the purchase of the doses, assuming it occurs, will come from that money.
But Pfizer is correct that they received no money. They got a PO. With conditions that haven’t been met yet.
No, they got the money.
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@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:
The U.S. government will pay the companies $1.95 billion upon the receipt of the first 100 million doses, following FDA authorization or approval. The U.S. government also can acquire up to an additional 500 million doses.
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No, many companies took money upfront for development.
Moderna is pre-revenue, they took lots of money upfront. I know Janssen (J&J) did, though obviously they have plenty of revenue. I don't feel like looking the other ones up.
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Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
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@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
I suppose.
Now, answer me this: What was the motivation for Pfizer putting the President of the United States not on the list of whom to notify? Azar said he "read it in the papers."
This was not an accident. This was a deliberate choice.
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.
Personally doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.
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@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.
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@Loki said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.
Joe is gonna rain money down...
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.There, right there, is the problem with Trump.
People ignore the fact that he's the President of The United States, and focus on the fact that he's occasionally impolite.
I've said, many times, that Trump is a loathsome boor. But, he IS The President. and by virtue of that fact, he, more than anyone know what the status is of the crisis, the pandemic, that is ravaging our nation. He should be notified first, and not through a media report, particularly when his political opponent was notified at least 12 hours earlier.
His behavior regarding senior government officials through the media and Twitter is irrelevant. You're conflating personality with policy.
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My point wasn’t that he shouldn’t have been notified first (he should have).
But it’s also a two way street.
The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.
He treated them like personal servants though.
But, my point was that Trump doesn’t separate the two either.
