We'll let POTUS know later

[Axtremus]

Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

Uh, no. It's not.

It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

[George K]

@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

I suppose.

Now, answer me this: What was the motivation for Pfizer putting the President of the United States not on the list of whom to notify? Azar said he "read it in the papers."

This was not an accident. This was a deliberate choice.

[xenon]

It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.

But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.

Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

[Jolly]

@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.

But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.

Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

Personally doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

[xenon]

@Jolly right - I mentioned that in my first sentence.

I don’t think you were very outraged when Trump pulled stuff like this though.

[Loki]

@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

Uh, no. It's not.

It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.

[Jolly]

@Loki said in We'll let POTUS know later:

@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

Uh, no. It's not.

It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.

Joe is gonna rain money down...

[George K]

@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

There, right there, is the problem with Trump.

People ignore the fact that he's the President of The United States, and focus on the fact that he's occasionally impolite.

I've said, many times, that Trump is a loathsome boor. But, he IS The President. and by virtue of that fact, he, more than anyone know what the status is of the crisis, the pandemic, that is ravaging our nation. He should be notified first, and not through a media report, particularly when his political opponent was notified at least 12 hours earlier.

His behavior regarding senior government officials through the media and Twitter is irrelevant. You're conflating personality with policy.

[xenon]

@George-K

My point wasn’t that he shouldn’t have been notified first (he should have).

But it’s also a two way street.

The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.

He treated them like personal servants though.

But, my point was that Trump doesn’t separate the two either.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

Uh, no. It's not.

It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

Now you're a "big government" guy?
Private companies have to notify the federal government first on whatever they do?

Within legal bounds, it is perfectly alright for private enterprises to choose with whom and when they share their proprietary information.

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

Uh, no. It's not.

It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

Now you're a "big government" guy?
Private companies have to notify the federal government first on whatever they do?

Within legal bounds, it is perfectly alright for private enterprises to choose with whom and when they share their proprietary information.

Did you read what I wrote?

[George K]

@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.

Um....

Who is the "Chief Executive" again?

They serve, or at least should, serve the President.

Because "The Deep State" doesn't exist, amirite?

ETA:

officers in the executive branch serve the office

Who is the director of that branch?

[xenon]

@George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:

@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.

Um....

Who is the "Chief Executive" again?

They serve, or at least should, serve the President.

Because "The Deep State" doesn't exist, amirite?

They don’t serve Donald Trump - they serve the office of President.

There’s nothing legally wrong with Pfizer informing Joe Sunday night and announcing first thing Monday morning though the media. There’s also no practical difference to the administration’s ability to address coronavirus with that.

This issue is about respect of the office of POTUS.

The office can be disrespected by the holder of it as well.

[kluurs]

President Trump's use of social media is such that given the information in advance, he might very well announce the breakthrough ahead of the official release via Twitter. The executives might have considered that others they informed have demonstrated more ability for self-restraint.

Having the announcement made by the President, he could also take credit for the development of the virus - as did - something they might have wanted for themselves.

A tough call because while I sympathize with controlling the annoucement, It is a bit of an FU to Trump.

[George K]

@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

They don’t serve Donald Trump - they serve the office of President.

There is no "office of President. There is the President of the United States. And as much as you loathe him, Trump is that person. Get used to it for the next 10 weeks. He's in charge, and he should have been notified regardless of his personality.

There’s nothing legally wrong with Pfizer informing Joe Sunday night and announcing first thing Monday morning though the media. There’s also no practical difference to the administration’s ability to address coronavirus with that.

I never claimed illegality. I implied bias. That's obvious.

This issue is about respect of the office of POTUS.

Exactly. And Pfizer showed no respect for that office.

The office can be disrespected by the holder of it as well.

And that is irrelevant to the point of this thread. Again, you're objecting to personality, not policy.

[George K]

@kluurs said in We'll let POTUS know later:

I sympathize with controlling the annoucement, It is a bit of an FU to Trump.

Exactly. And the fact that Pfizer did that is outrageous.

Almost as outrageous at POTUS' behaviors.

[jon-nyc]

There’s a material public health benefit to not having Trump announce it.

Although not nearly as much as there was before the election.

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:

There’s a material public health benefit to not having Trump announce it.

What's that, if I may ask.

What's the material health benefit of letting candidate Biden know ahead of time?

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:

There’s a material public health benefit to not having Trump announce it.

Although not nearly as much as there was before the election.

Equivocation.

Does not really address the point.