We'll let POTUS know later
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So here’s the company’s statement:
Pfizer is one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine," Castillo said in an email. "While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D was made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen was emphasizing that last point."
So yeah, “participating” in that the purchase of the doses, assuming it occurs, will come from that money.
But Pfizer is correct that they received no money. They got a PO. With conditions that haven’t been met yet.
wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:50 last edited by@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:
So here’s the company’s statement:
Pfizer is one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine," Castillo said in an email. "While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D was made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen was emphasizing that last point."
So yeah, “participating” in that the purchase of the doses, assuming it occurs, will come from that money.
But Pfizer is correct that they received no money. They got a PO. With conditions that haven’t been met yet.
No, they got the money.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:53 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:
The U.S. government will pay the companies $1.95 billion upon the receipt of the first 100 million doses, following FDA authorization or approval. The U.S. government also can acquire up to an additional 500 million doses.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:55 last edited by
Same as everybody else.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 19:11 last edited by
No, many companies took money upfront for development.
Moderna is pre-revenue, they took lots of money upfront. I know Janssen (J&J) did, though obviously they have plenty of revenue. I don't feel like looking the other ones up.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 23:17 last edited by
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
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Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 23:18 last edited by@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
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Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 23:22 last edited by@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
I suppose.
Now, answer me this: What was the motivation for Pfizer putting the President of the United States not on the list of whom to notify? Azar said he "read it in the papers."
This was not an accident. This was a deliberate choice.
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wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 00:51 last edited by xenon
It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.
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It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 00:56 last edited by@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.
Personally doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.
Personally doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.
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@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:01 last edited by@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.
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@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:02 last edited by@Loki said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.
Joe is gonna rain money down...
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It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:04 last edited by@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.There, right there, is the problem with Trump.
People ignore the fact that he's the President of The United States, and focus on the fact that he's occasionally impolite.
I've said, many times, that Trump is a loathsome boor. But, he IS The President. and by virtue of that fact, he, more than anyone know what the status is of the crisis, the pandemic, that is ravaging our nation. He should be notified first, and not through a media report, particularly when his political opponent was notified at least 12 hours earlier.
His behavior regarding senior government officials through the media and Twitter is irrelevant. You're conflating personality with policy.
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.There, right there, is the problem with Trump.
People ignore the fact that he's the President of The United States, and focus on the fact that he's occasionally impolite.
I've said, many times, that Trump is a loathsome boor. But, he IS The President. and by virtue of that fact, he, more than anyone know what the status is of the crisis, the pandemic, that is ravaging our nation. He should be notified first, and not through a media report, particularly when his political opponent was notified at least 12 hours earlier.
His behavior regarding senior government officials through the media and Twitter is irrelevant. You're conflating personality with policy.
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:11 last edited byMy point wasn’t that he shouldn’t have been notified first (he should have).
But it’s also a two way street.
The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.
He treated them like personal servants though.
But, my point was that Trump doesn’t separate the two either.
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@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:11 last edited by@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
Now you're a "big government" guy?
Private companies have to notify the federal government first on whatever they do?Within legal bounds, it is perfectly alright for private enterprises to choose with whom and when they share their proprietary information.
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@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
Now you're a "big government" guy?
Private companies have to notify the federal government first on whatever they do?Within legal bounds, it is perfectly alright for private enterprises to choose with whom and when they share their proprietary information.
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:12 last edited by@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
Now you're a "big government" guy?
Private companies have to notify the federal government first on whatever they do?Within legal bounds, it is perfectly alright for private enterprises to choose with whom and when they share their proprietary information.
Did you read what I wrote?
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My point wasn’t that he shouldn’t have been notified first (he should have).
But it’s also a two way street.
The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.
He treated them like personal servants though.
But, my point was that Trump doesn’t separate the two either.
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:17 last edited by George K@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.
Um....
Who is the "Chief Executive" again?
They serve, or at least should, serve the President.
Because "The Deep State" doesn't exist, amirite?
ETA:
officers in the executive branch serve the office
Who is the director of that branch?
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.
Um....
Who is the "Chief Executive" again?
They serve, or at least should, serve the President.
Because "The Deep State" doesn't exist, amirite?
ETA:
officers in the executive branch serve the office
Who is the director of that branch?
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:27 last edited by xenon@George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.
Um....
Who is the "Chief Executive" again?
They serve, or at least should, serve the President.
Because "The Deep State" doesn't exist, amirite?
They don’t serve Donald Trump - they serve the office of President.
There’s nothing legally wrong with Pfizer informing Joe Sunday night and announcing first thing Monday morning though the media. There’s also no practical difference to the administration’s ability to address coronavirus with that.
This issue is about respect of the office of POTUS.
The office can be disrespected by the holder of it as well.
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wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:36 last edited by
President Trump's use of social media is such that given the information in advance, he might very well announce the breakthrough ahead of the official release via Twitter. The executives might have considered that others they informed have demonstrated more ability for self-restraint.
Having the announcement made by the President, he could also take credit for the development of the virus - as did - something they might have wanted for themselves.
A tough call because while I sympathize with controlling the annoucement, It is a bit of an FU to Trump.
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@George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.
Um....
Who is the "Chief Executive" again?
They serve, or at least should, serve the President.
Because "The Deep State" doesn't exist, amirite?
They don’t serve Donald Trump - they serve the office of President.
There’s nothing legally wrong with Pfizer informing Joe Sunday night and announcing first thing Monday morning though the media. There’s also no practical difference to the administration’s ability to address coronavirus with that.
This issue is about respect of the office of POTUS.
The office can be disrespected by the holder of it as well.
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:38 last edited by@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
They don’t serve Donald Trump - they serve the office of President.
There is no "office of President. There is the President of the United States. And as much as you loathe him, Trump is that person. Get used to it for the next 10 weeks. He's in charge, and he should have been notified regardless of his personality.
There’s nothing legally wrong with Pfizer informing Joe Sunday night and announcing first thing Monday morning though the media. There’s also no practical difference to the administration’s ability to address coronavirus with that.
I never claimed illegality. I implied bias. That's obvious.
This issue is about respect of the office of POTUS.
Exactly. And Pfizer showed no respect for that office.
The office can be disrespected by the holder of it as well.
And that is irrelevant to the point of this thread. Again, you're objecting to personality, not policy.
